scottie said:
He was picked to decide if the actions were illegal. I do not care about legal/illegal, I care about moral/immoral. Hence I do not care about his opinion.
1) The UN is biased against Israel.
What country in the world isn't?
You're an Australian you know, Austraila is also an "occupied country", just like the USA, and a lot of other countries worldwide, who were occupied at some point of time.
I am critical of the British colonisation of Australia. I am extremely critical of any British who killed Aboriginal non combatants, as am I of any Aboriginees who killed British civilians in order to protect their country.
So... cool, I guess?
...What?
What you said make no sense, the fact that the UN is biased against Israel should pretty much be obvious (did you know that Israel has 80% of the UN's commitee for human right's condemnations? Considering countries like North Korea exist, and that Iran government executes gay pepole... it's pretty wierd, don't you think?)
Sorry, which countries have North Korea and Iran been occupying for the past 60 odd years?
Zero, I guess, the same number of "countries" that Israel is occupying, or have ever occupied, there never was another country in the territory now called "the state of Israel", and if there was, I dare you to find it's name, flag, currency, language etc etc, Palestine was just the name of the land, it was never an autonomus state.
Fact is, killing your own civilians is judged to be morally acceptable under certain circumstances by a substantial amount of the UN, killing the civilians of another country is not. That is why the Arab-Israeli conflict receives so much UN attention.
...Again, there's no "another country" (yet, there probably will be in the next two years or so...), and what you said can also apply to the Palestinians, suicide bombers, rocket barrages, the fact that they are not as effective as the IDF's weaponry, does not make them more "moraly right".
And the fact that ca "substanial amount of the UN" find such things morally just/unjust, just shows the bias against Israel.
Tell me if I got you right:
An innocent guy in Iran is gay, the government find that, he is hanged.
That should not be condemned by the UN.
A Palestinian is arming Hamas, creates rockets, mortar shells etc etc that are later fired at Israel, he hides within innocent population, because he knows that he's safer, and that if he dies, other innocents will die with him, and it will further help Hamas' agenda (portraying Israel as a demonic state).
Israeli forces track him, find him, and kill him, other innocents die in the process.
Israel should be condemned for defending it's population in the most humane way that does not pointlessly risk it's own men.
The fact is, the US is Israel's closest ally, and the US (incase you didn't notice) has the power of veto. To argue that the US is biased against Israel is to argue that the US is biased against Israel.
2)
So do you argue that Side b should just... let more of their pepole die? Or use less effective measures?
This isn't a game you know, and it isn't Semantics.
@ bolded. Of course it is not a game Are you attempting to portray my point of view as silly? And the debate over wether the deaths were intentional or accidental but predicatble is completely unimportant to me.
But... the fact that something is unimportant to you, does not make it unimportant at all.
I didn't try to portray you viewpoint as silly, just as not complete.
Please tell me then, what do you think Israel should do? How will we defend out citizens? Considering that one of Hamas' main objective is the complete destruction of the state of Israel.
I don't understand how people can claim that the Israeli government and army is innocent, and just defending themselves, and then also argue that Hamas is immoral. Nor can I understand anyone who argues that the Israeli govt/army is immoral and that Hamas is fine. In my eyes one murderer is as bas as another.
No one claims they were innocent, however, if you would've read the original post, you would've realized that Israel constantly checks itself, tries to reduce civilian casualties to the bare minimum, and put it's own war criminals under judgement, while the Hamas does nothing of that, because they want to kill as many Israeli civilians as they can, and have as many of their civilians killed by Israelies, since it furthers their agendas.
There is nothing further to say to you then. You will not listen to any opinion that differs from your own even slightly
...I do listen to opinions who differ "even slightly", did you not just read that i've just agreed with you, about the fact that Israel isn't "completely innocent"?
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