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sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:
sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:

Given that missions trips take place in most nations, even in developed countries, I would say no. Missions trips can happen anywhere and target anyone. I have friends that have done missions in your country by building schools and hospitals.

And your choice of language is pretty disheartening. Its not a ploy to prey on people, Sapphi. Just because you hate religion doesn't mean that everything we do always is to prey on people. Do we want people to come to know Jesus as their Lord and Savior? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that many Christians stop trying to help people if we know they aren't going to become Christian. I've seen a lot of wells dug, hospitals founded, and schools started in the name of this 'ploy' that helped a lot of people. I've seen hungry people fed, homeless people given a roof, and alcoholics/drug users helped with their addictions because of this 'ploy'.

I have to ask this, Sapphi, have you ever in your life helped out someone less fortunate? I'd really like to understand why you have hatred of those that do.

I actually met some Christian missionaries from the US. They were kinda creepy (they wore weird clothes, and sang weird religious songs). One of them was nice though.

I've never haled anyone less fortunate, quite frankly I've been too apathetic regarding this. I hope I'll eventually get off my ass and do something.

And regarding these Christian missions, I'd have nothing against these activities if they weren't proselytism masked as charity. Why can't you just help people, without using it as an ocassion to promote your religion? Isn't helping people the purpose, or am I right and it's all a ploy?

Yes, helping people is the purpose. However, for those that dedicate their lives to helping the less fortunate, it becomes rather difficult to not tie your belief set into what you do. For example, my former church would have a day that they gathered all

If the Christians you met were creepy and wore odd clothing, I am 90% certain they weren't the type of missionaries I am talking about. Likely, you met a creepy subsect called Mormons which are usually considered outside of Christian orthodoxy.

It's possbile they were liek that. The creepiest thing about them was their clothes (they were a little older than me, but were dressed like 30 year olds).

I still think they should not use charity as a platform for spreading their religion. There;'s websites for that sort of stuff. Some countries have already started banning missionaries because of the proselythising.


But if God does not exist, then what is the harm in telling them about something that is not real? What countries are banning said missionairies? Generally, the ones that do are active in banning missionaries because they are worried that Christians will promote Democracy and human rights.

Your argument of stating 'there are websites for charity' shows that you may not fully understand the situations in some countries. Chances are, if you really want to help someone in a specific country get access to water, health care, or education, you can't do it simply by giving money to an organization. It always or almost invariably ends up in a general fund which may not be used for what you feel is effective use of your money. Comparatively, there are missionaries you can help that have specific goals in said countries.

In general, though, the aid organizations that are reported to have a very effective span of helping those get out of poverty are the *gasp* Christian organizations. Even if you dislike what they do with spreading their religion, the fact is that they typically get far more done per dollar than secular organizations. A good one would be World Vision.



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