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Kasz216 on 31 March 2011
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Rath said:
ssj12 said:
Rath said:
ssj12 said:

Oil mostly, but also change leaders. We put Gaddafi in power, now he refused to obey us, do we are changing leaders to a new puppet.


The US didn't put Gaddafi in power and he was never a US puppet.


opps, your right. He defeated our puppet and took over. And created one of the wealthiest nations in Africa. So actually, he pissed the US off by taking over a nation we controlled. So actually, he isn't evil at all.

http://moraloutrage.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/muammar-gaddafi-of-libya/

I posted a reply to this, don't know where it went.

Essentially, high HDI doesn't change the fact that Gaddafi is a brutal evil tyrant. That's not what the HDI measures. Better measures for how much of a brutal dictator he is are things measuring human rights, press freedoms and political freedoms.

http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011

http://www.freedomhouse.org/images/File/fiw/Tables, Graphs, etc, FIW 2011_Revised 1_11_11.pdf

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=560&year=2010

 

Also the UN Human Rights Council is sadly an intensely political organisation and is dominated by countries with poor human rights records, they really (and sadly) can't be taken seriously.


Edit: @Kasz. All of the three major military interventions this century by America have been very different. Opposing some while supporting others is not necessarily hypocritical.

 

Except when most people shouted "No war ever" then said... "Nevermind."

There really isn't much difference at all between Libya and Iraq outside of direct commiting of invasion forces.  Not even ground forces, since the CIA are "on the ground" as of current... an apparently have been for weeks.


Neither does the "With the UN mandate" hold up, as it's been discovered that Obama signed an order to covertly start supplying the rebels with weapons WEEKS before the UN mandate.

Heck, he did this without even notifying the 8 people in congress he is supposed to notify when he acts covertly.

I guess he wasn't lieing when he said he envied Reagan.

I mean, everything about this war seems... worse.  In every regard then the other two.  If the rebels are to be believed... The army is slipping through the lulls in the airstrikes already.

Seems like the UN is going to be forced to decide to either go farther, or end up with the slaughter happening anyway but us having bombed Libya for a while.