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Kirameo on 25 March 2011
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PhoenixKing said:
Kirameo said:
Baalzamon said:

Well, you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying.  I'm not saying that I can't offer people other options, nor that I am unable to.  If they indicate that they want my help, I would be more than willing to help them get out of their current situation.  What I'm saying is I'm not going to decide FOR THEM that they want my help.  If I see somebody in a very tough situation, I'm even willing to ask them if they want help, but if they say no, I'm not going to decide for them that they are wrong and help them anyways.

The problem with your argument is that you assume that the person who wants to commit suicide desires so because of rational thought, which is almost never the case. Minds are dynamic, which means that we are always changing our way of thinking. Theoretically, when you commit suicide, your are violating the rights of your future self, if you wanna get down to that.

This sense of self-entitlement is absolutely erroneous. "Violating the rights of your future self"? Such a statement is absurd. What about independence? Freedom of choice? What about your rights right then and there?

Honestly, most humans aren't even rational anyway. Look at all the conspiracy theories and apocalypse fears that have carried on for centuries. Suddenly humans have to be logical about suicide? What about hookers, why is it illegal for someone to spend money and have sex with one? What about marijuana? Why are there so many ridiculous pedophile charges from something as small as a five year old hugging a teacher? What about grade school drug policies and how 'no-tolerance' has essentially failed in adequately assessing blame among students?

When have humans EVER been rational? Why does it matter to YOU if someone you don't know simply doesn't want to live anymore? One of the biggest problems, on the non-suicide spectrum, is that you'll call all arguments for it crazy and not really listen to what we have to say. One of the posters calling pro-suiciders weak and other childish comments proves this already.


Let's say that someone drugs you into wanting to commit suicide. Would you rather have others let you do such thing or have them take you out of that trance?

You argue based on the assumption that no one cares for the person who wants to die.