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richardhutnik on 25 March 2011
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Baalzamon said:
richardhutnik said:

If you are incapable of providing someone hope and getting them out of a situation where the feel it is better to off themselves, you are weak.  This is a statement of reality.  Anyhow, no one said human beings are particularly strong and not weak.  The "they" here refers to humanity, and its inability to instill hope and help people when things are really bad, due to their limitations.  Supporting suicide is being pwned by the nature of things, because you CAN'T offer people any other option, so you feel killing them is acceptable alternative, because saying alive is see as cruel and pitiful.

Well, you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying.  I'm not saying that I can't offer people other options, nor that I am unable to.  If they indicate that they want my help, I would be more than willing to help them get out of their current situation.  What I'm saying is I'm not going to decide FOR THEM that they want my help.  If I see somebody in a very tough situation, I'm even willing to ask them if they want help, but if they say no, I'm not going to decide for them that they are wrong and help them anyways.

I have been in places where, if there was a suicide booth, I would of walked into it and ended it all.  I know how this is, and I know how things are in that state.  It isn't something one would pick, unless driven to it.  So, my entire focus has been on the original topic, and saying this is why we don't just let "people do what they want with their life?" particularly in cases where one would expect someone not in their right mind to do it.  There is cases when one can be so defeated, unless someone intervenes, they will die.  If there is a collectively shared set of values, like the preservation of life, then this is why. 

And I think there is a slight difference here between help for improvement and someone dying.  I know, in the case of where you got someone a place of hope, they will most likely decide it would of been a BAD mistake if they had died back then.