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Kasz216 on 20 March 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:

Care to offer an exact insight that would show that was the case? I'm not trying to make this a religious argument, but to say argue that religion and state were highly connected, thus meaning only government cares about people (or whatever your trying to get at) is a wrong concept for the most part.

My point is that anyone for any reason can endeavor to do great things to help those in need. One person cannot save the entire world from poverty, but they can do a lot to help people around them. If more did that, then we wouldn't have the poverty we see around the world.

I totally agree with this. It's jsut that your examples didn't illustrate this at all. You had institutions do all those things, and you couldn't even call the non-governmental institutions either. Not to mention that the corruption of such institutions (and their ulterior motives) certainly won't encourage him to change his views regardign charity (and hospitals and adoption agencies are not charity organsiations, and they're run by the Government, are they not?).

Actually they aren't.

I mean, there are government run hospitals, but most hosptials and adoption agencies in the US are run privately I believe.

Mostly because they are usually better run then the government run ones.


The only real exception are the Veterans Affairs hospitals, which are some of the best hospitals in the world.

However, those hospitals only got to be so good after decades of them being some of the worst hospitals in the country, culimating in a scandle where actual dead bodies were found in a VA hospital that were somehow just "lost."

 

Though actually, I don't know if the VA hospitals are still the best.   Afterall back when i researched them it was before Afghanistan and Iraq really were going.

The PTSD bombshell that's setting off and just massive influx of patients to VA hospitals... they might be doing horribly now.  With the large influx of patients and likely not an equal increase in budget.

 

Healthcare is just a messed up road of nonsense to be honest with you.  For example, Nonprofit insurance plans actually usually end up costing more then for profit ones and tend to have lower satisfaction ratings.  How that's possible, i'm not sure.