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twesterm on 15 March 2011
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CDiablo said:
twesterm said:
CDiablo said:
twesterm said:
Zlejedi said:

Steam is also extremly restrictive DRM system but at least if you are paying 5-10 euros per game it won't hurt badly if you lose access to it.


I'm confused, how is Steam restrictive?


As said before you dont own the game.......and as I stated before I barely sell games, but I would like to 1) Have the option to sell if Im in a pinch(even $5 is better than nothing) 2) give away the game to a loving user.  Another problem I have (as stated before) is that with one game purchase you get 1 set of stats. In Battlefield: BC2 I can have a character with my own stats. If my friend wants to have his own stats he can create a character as well. This is not possible with games like say Team Fortress 2 or Black Ops. You must buy another copy of the game.  Last problem is I cant have 2 games running online at once. Again if anyone with friends or family has 2 computers and one wants to play Team Fortress and the other wants to play Dawn of war they are SOL unless they buy another copy registered to another steam account.

1. When you put down $60 for a game, you aren't buying the content on the disc or the content you download, you're buying a license.  You can sell that license but people don't have to buy it.

2.  It isn't a Steam thing not being able to sell a game, it's a PC game thing.  You haven't been able to buy used recent PC games for years.

3.  The multiple users isn't a Steam problem, that's a game problem.  If Valve wanted to they could very much allow mulitple TF2 profiles, Steam isn't stopping it.

4. You can't have two copies of the same TF2 running at a time because you only have one license.  If you and another person both want to play the game, both have to buy the game.  I'm not sure why you're confused about that.  IF you're talking about playing two different games at once on the same account, you can do that.  I just booted up Beyond Good and Evil and Dragon Age (both bought off Steam) and had no problems.

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And if you're worried about playing on two different computers at the same time with the same account, meh.  Either have one play something offline or get over it.  It isn't that big of a deal. 

If that's your only real problem, I hardly call that extremely restrictive. 

1) Show me where I can sell one of my liscenses for a steam game. Dont play semantics with the issue, you know what I mean in reference to steam. I know disk based games have liscenses but you can resell them if needed. You cannot sell a steam game or account(legally).

2) There are a number of games that are still sold outside of steam that do not require you to attach your name to a account of any kind. Pretty sure Dragon Age 1 does this. Witcher2 will do this as well(may be wrong but I think retail copies will)

3)Ok I agree it is not a steam problem, but devs are abusing this ever since steam came about and became popular. Valve is one of the first teams to popularise this kind of liscense and I do blame steam to a small extent. GFWL games are not restricted in this way.

4)Never stated this in any way, shape or form in my OP. Not sure how anyone who read it could make that connection.

x) No I should worry about being able to play 2 online games at the same time cause I paid (theoritically for a new game) $50-$60 for the fucking game. I own 2 360's, 2 PS3s and 2 of every other system for the most part and can have 2 different games online at once, and deserve the same from my multiple pcs. Its in no way restrictive as persitsant internet connection but its a problem.

I find the acceptance of the whole business model strange because I think if there was a movie service ala netflix where you bought movies at full price ($20) to tie it to an account it would fail in a heartbeat. MP3 services work because $.99 is throwaway money in the short run, but I never thought this business model would work for full retail games.


1.  You brought it up so don't get pissy when you're wrong.  I'd love to see a store that takes used recent PC games.

2.  Right, but again, not a Steam problem.  That's completely dependant on the game and not on Steam at all.  Valve simply chose to make TF2 tied to your account, it has nothing to do with Steam.  If you don't like that, that's cool but it has nothing at all to do with DRM's and this thread.

3.  Wait, what is your point 2 about? 

4.  Then what did you mean by typing this: Last problem is I cant have 2 games running online at once. Again if anyone with friends or family has 2 computers and one wants to play Team Fortress and the other wants to play Dawn of war they are SOL unless they buy another copy registered to another steam account.?

x) Again, it's not a big deal really.  I agree it is a drawback but it isn't anything major.  It's not something that is going to affect many people and it's simply a security measure.  Again, it's cool you don't like that but calling it extremely restrictive because of just that is wrong.  It's restrictive but it's not that bad.  You can always play games offline and if it's that big of a deal, then either get two accounts or get over it.

People accept it because it's not a big deal.  Most people don't have two of every system.  In fact, a very small percent own every system (Wii, PS3, 360, PC) and an even smaller percent own two of every system.  Hell, a large percent doesn't even own two systems.  Most families do not own multiple gaming computers.