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Rath on 10 March 2011
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NotStan said:
Rath said:

1) I want to be the person who stands against the execution of a minor for the sake of vengeance. Justice is not killing for vengeance people with diminished responsibility.

2) There is little to no proof that capital punishment works any better as a deterent than prison.

3) He is a minor, it's a legal term. You're trying to take it away from the legal and into the emotional with 'little monster'. A little monster he may be, but the justice system can't see it that way.

4) His release, as I believe should be the case with all murderers, should be dependent on a psychological report. If he's a psychopath who is a significant risk to the society then he shouldn't be released. But you can't accurately predict how a 40 year old will be based on what he did as an eleven year old.

5) It doesn't matter whether you'd 'take the risk'. It's the entire 'For the greater good' concept all over again. I hate utilitarianism, it has no humanity.

1) Minor or not, he was old enough to know the consequences of his actions as he went as far as to get rid of the shotgun gauge, 11 may be a little young for execution but the crime which he has committed is one of the most severe, especially taking into account that he had effectively killed a relative, as she was his step mother.

2) There is no proof, but it saves having to spend such large amount of taxpayers money on what will likely be a lost cause going by the way the crime has been committed. If there was a chance that he was not innocent in this case I'd agree, but the evidence is all lined up on him and he also likely confessed to it by now too.

3) I am not trying to do, I am just saying that whichever type of person reviews his crime will likely think of him as a sick little bastard as it is. It is after all down to people that the court cases are settled not by some random chance machine that weighs in the crime vs the evidence.

4) I agree on that point, not quite as severe as a capital punishment but a reasonable solution to the problem, however if he is tried as a child he will get out at 21, a 10 year sentence for double homicide, psychological trauma for the family, and hell knows how much damage. 

5) I tell you what has no humanity, a child that has taken the shotgun as soon as his father left and executed a mother with almost fully developed child, leaving the mess for his little sister to find.

1) It does not change the law that he committed a severe crime.

2) Death penalty is the opposite of cheap. Due to the extremely extensive series of appeals in general it costs more than life imprisonment in the USA.

4) I never made comment on what I considered an acceptable prison term for the kid.

5) As I said justice isn't based on vengeance. Otherwise the entire system would be fucked.