| The_vagabond7 said: That's just apologetics kasz, to bring christianity into something less reprehensible to the modern zeitgeist. It's liberal christianity, which is merely an attempt to make christianity more palatable. And you and slimebeast would probably disagree with some of the finer points of the implications you are making. Will there be gays in heaven, or paradise, or whatever? Can a man fuck other men and love jesus and be rewarded for it? Or will they be punished for their unabashed refusal to conform to god's standards? We all in some way steal or lie on a regular basis, can someone like that get out of hell or whatever punishment? Depending on if you're liberal or conservative your view of those things are going to differ. Well of course you can get into heaven even if you lie on occasion, god is merciful. But you're totally going to hell if you have a cock and suck them too. The scriptures refer to homosexuality as an abomination. Unless you're liberal, then just understand that we're all abominations in god's eyes and be a good person and god loves you.
There are plenty of heros in the bible that fornicate, steal, lie, murder, commit incest, polygamy, get drunk, are idolaters and are still considered heroes for following god, good righteous men. There is not a single example of a gay or lesbian in the bible that is spoken of as being a true worshipper of god. Any time gays make an appearance it's only to show how dispicable and beastly they are. To say that the bible considers homosexuality the same as stealing or having sex for pleasure is disingenuous and is merely a way of trying to meet the more tolerant zeitgeist halfway. Which as calvin (from calvin and hobbes) once said "A good compromise leaves everyone upset". Gays are still an abomination, but really aren't we all? Which leaves both gays and conservative christians furrowing their brows. |
Man Vega Bond its not apologetic's its basic Christianity. The Bible clearly says "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever believes in him shall be saved and have eternal life".
So yes their will probably be gays in heaven, can I say for sure or not? No because I'm not God its not up to me to decide who goes to hell or heaven. Will many gays go to hell? Yes , what about Liars, yeppers what about people who lust uhuh or how about glutton's yeppers. What about the liar's, murderers and such that the Bible has as hero's. Look at all of them and see that the majority of them repented to those crimes and begged God for forgiveness. The ones that did not like Saul ended up getting the wrath of God so to speak and while they used to be great men of God he turned from God and was struck down in battle.
One can not earn salvation without Jesus Christ , because their isn't a single man on earth who is perfect and without sin. Now the Bible also preaches that Christian's are to turn from sin as much as possible as well as aknowledge the sin in their lives.
In other words a Christian is supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus. The teachings of Jesus are clear that no man is without sin, no man has the right to judge someone else for sins they commit or they themselves will be judged for their sin.
As for Sapphi saying Christian's are supposed to set all the non-Christian's straight. Jesus says to be a light and lead by example, he doesn't say to go out into all the world telling everyone how horrible they are and telling them to be better people. That is not the teachings of Jesus. However while Christian's aren't to judge it does say in the Bible that they are to correct other Christian's who go astray and try to lead them back to the fold. As I am saying about the WestBoro Baptist Church they need to be corrected, as what they are preaching and teaching is hatred and not the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I like how known agnostics here on VGChartz no the Bible better then some Christian's and better then many other agnostics.
-JC7
"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer
