Islam is not bad, too many of you are ignorant of history.

[Tony_Stark]

superchunk said:

Tony_Stark said:

 

So much BS? Get off your high horse, your entire OP was highly condescending and intolarant. Calling people ignorant just because they don't agree with your misguided opinions is NOT ok.

1. Doesn't matter, the fact that amost every, if not every Muslim "sect" adheres to Sharia law in some form or another, and fact of the matter is, Sharia law have VERY close ties to Islam, Therefore my point still stands.

2. This came from an x-muslim who was very well versed in the Quaran. According to her, A muslim can lie as long as it does not "offend" Allah. Give me a Quaran and I WILL find the verses (apparently there are several, not just one.) 

3. Clearly you did not understand what I said, there is a verse  in the Quaran that dictates that if there are conflicting verses in the Quaran, the one in the latter part of the Quaran is to be adhered to, this has nothing to do with chronological order, and everything to do with the locations of verses in the Quaran.

1. Sharia is law in Islam, you're right. However, the basis of the greater majority of these laws is what I argue is not Islamic as the Qur'an dictates. Instead they are from the Hadith literature, which varies greatly depending sect or warlord. That is why I state it does not stem from the Qur'an and Islam, but from men's wishes and the Hadith's.

2. There are several searchable online Qur'ans.

3. I mentiond the exact verse you spoke of and I mentioned that I believe it actually refers not to itself, but to previous holy books. Furthermore, the Qur'an is not organized in any special order. The only pattern, if you will, is that as you move down the book the chapters get shorter. This has nothing to do with when or where a verse was given to Muhammad. Its just put together that way.

This lack of knowledge leads to confusion with various sects as to what is or is not abrogated, however, I don't believe anything is, within the Qur'an. Am I the majority in this? no. However, this doesn't mean I'm wrong as the Qur'an does specifically state no other book should be used for Islam and the Hadiths have become paramount to every Islamic nation, including having certain Hadiths abrogate the Qur'an itself.

Also, I did not call people ignorant because the don't agree with me. I called people ignorant who make ignorant claims about something they clearly know nothing about.

1. Doesn't matter, it is still an intregal part of Islam today.

2. I'd rather get my hands on a legit hard copy.

3. Once again, you are mis-interprating what I was saying. The chornological order of the Quaran is moot in my point. Only the physical location in the Quaran matters.

No, you called people who don't share your point of view, ignorant. And let's be clear about this, your OP was nothing more that your point of view.

At any rate, please understand I refuse to stoop to that level, I may believe you are mis-led, but it's your choice to be in such a position, and obviously, whether I agree with you or not, you have your personal convictions, and I do respect that.