Islam is not bad, too many of you are ignorant of history.

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superchunk said:

Booh! said:

superchunk said:

 

1. That isn't Jesus speaking.

2. Read my post above about this verse.

3. Yep, picked Ethiopians incorrectly. But, a quick search for nontrinitarian christians will reveal several others. Wikipedia page has a nice list.

4. If Romans did change important dates like these, what else did they change?

5. Of course there are differing view points. If everyone believed what I believe there would be no X360.

1) It doesn't matter.

2) I read it.

3) Yes and the oldest of them was founded in 1830.

4) The birthday of Jesus is unknown, and no, it isn't important if He was born on the 25th of Dec. or 6th of Jan. None was ever excommunicated for saying that.

5) This was the only argument on topic of the whole derailment of this thread. So I explain it better: if Grand Mufti "A" says "bombing western buildings is wrong", but Grand Mufti "B" says "bombing western buildings is just", a follower of "B" can bomb as he wish and, what's more important, he's a good muslim for both "A" and "B", because none of them is more authoritarian than the other (this is valid for sunni, while shi'a and other Islamic sects differ). This is radically different from religions with a determined central authority that dictates what's good and what's bad.

1) it does as that's the source.

2) awesome.

3) I was merely pointing out modern versions. There are plenty that existed since day one.

4) He wasn't born in January either. But, you're right its not important if you accept that you don't care what the Roman's changed in the religion you believe in.

5) You're right, Islam has no central religious authority. However, in modern practice that is not true as the Mullahs and Imams force religious extremism upon everyone and are as such no different than the Pope and his priests during the dark ages.

What's good or bad, in Islam is supposed to be based on daily worship and reading of the Qur'an... not what one man thinks is right and wrong. That central authority creates issues far more than in solves as the masses get lazy and only accept his viewpiont regardless if its based on the Qur'an or not. Then that individual gains all the power and you eventually get religious dictatorial rule.

This lack of central priesthood is why Islam took 1200 years to become extremist and violent. Hopefully, the current backlash against these dictatorships and the promotion of democracy and some vital freedoms will begin to undo this travesty against Islam and its Qur'an.

This is arguable at best.

As for the christian doctrine, I know that it was heavily influenced by Roman and Greek philosophy and I'm satisfied with it. After all, it all could be designed from the start

In facts, an italian communist and homosexual intellectual said "I know that inside me two thousands years of Christianity live on": that's it, Christianity, through the doctrine of the Church, shaped Europe and all the western world. That's not a lesser achievement.

To explain better this concept take a look at communist China: polygamy is forbidden in Communist China, while it was allowed before over there. That's because communist thought enforces monogamy and that's because communist thought was born in strictly monogamy Europe, which was strictly "monogamized" by the Church during the middle ages (germanic and slavic "barbars" were all polygamist), which was influenced by the social laws of the Romans, who in turn were the only monogamist people I'm aware of, surely the only relevant monogamist people before modern Europe arose.