superchunk said:
Joelcool7 said:
Man you need to re-read the Bible if you have ever done so. John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Throughout the Bible Jesus makes many claims to be the direct son of God. I have read the Bible cover to cover three times and while yes I don't have it all memorized I am very sure the Trinity and Jesus claiming to be God are both cornerstones in the Bible's make up.
As for what the Roman's did. They never changed the Bible itself, the Catholic's have the Dogma and other Holy Books. But the Bible itself was not altered. Christmas and Eastern were made so that Christian's could celebrate pagan holiday's without being pagan themselves. However note that the Bible was not altered to tell you the specific days of Easter or Christmas. These days were chosen by the Romans.
But I can rest assure you that the Bible was not altered by the romans. I know this because the dead sea scrolls (Basis for the Bible) actually came to a University in my area and translators translated them again. The origional documents exist today and are constantly being translated. Also almost all translations come out nearly identical.
The Roman's may have created holiday's and shaped the way Christian's thought but the Bible itself and its teachings remained un-altered.
Also just so we are clear, we do both believe in the same God. The God of Abraham the only difference is I believe Jesus was the messiah and the third part of the Holy Trinity. While you believe he was a prophet but you to believe he is the mesiah.
Also the Holy Trinity
Isaiah 48:16 “I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”
Mathew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the son and of the Holy Ghost.
Just to point out two of the passages in the Bible which confirm the Trinity.
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I didn't want to turn this thread into a argument about Christianity, so I'm sorry beforehand for replying to this and the one after this.
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John 3:16 , disputes the fact that Jesus is not God or his direct son. I could go on finding versus you'd go on disputing them. Then I'd point out the Bible clearly states Jesus died on the cross and rose again three days later which Islam says never happened.
I'm not trying to convert you or somehow belittle your faith. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how the Bible can be considered a Holy text in Islam when it refutes many of the Qur'an and Islam's teachings.
Also you claim to have read the Bible and seem very intelligent. I have read alot of the Qur'an and read the Bible cover to cover three times. I also read the books of apocrypha. But I haven't read as many supposed Holy texts as you have.
So consider my little topic derail over. But in all honesty extreme Islam out numbers moderate Islam and with moderates not moving to lead the others back on the right path extreme Islam will spread like a plague as it already has infected most of the Middle East and North Africa.
I consider extreme Islam a disease and moderate Muslim's are the only cure for this desease. But their aren't enough moderate Muslims fighting it. At this rate moderate Islam will disapear altogether and extreme Islam will rule!
