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Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
JamaicameCRAZY said:

@kaz

for whatever reason i cant quote but yea i would choose the industries words more so than your 2 links to anacdotal evidence and 1 link to the music industry which flat out states it doesnt apply to other industries.

 Also there is plenty of cases of piracy hurting, take titan quest developer, take the loss in sales which could've meant more money for new projects, take the ishoot game that they said they have 90% pirated gamers online and its only 1 dollar. Piracy does some good sure, i would agree but i think it hurts more than it benifits. I obviously cant prove it more than i have with my links, which i would consider leaps and bounds better than yours (and given your track record thus far in this thread with your inaccuracies/narrow view, i wouldnt believe what you say if it wasnt sourced) so...I think thats all i have to say. Good day sir.


I... haven't been inacurate about it... but yeah ok.

You've been the inaccurate one.

As for my "3 sources" those are just 3 of... many... pretty much all studies done on piracy.

Ishoot has 90% piracy and the game is only 1 dollar?  What does that tell you... outside of 90% didn't feel Ishoot games were worth 1 dollar?

That piracy exists, is no proof that piracy damages... which is what the entireity of your arguement has amounted too.

"Look there is piracy, therefore money must be lost!".

If you can't see why such an arguement is a bad one... I dont know what to say.


People made the same arguement about used books... then they did research and found used books actually caused new books to be bought, because people were more willing to pay out money knowing they could recoup some of it.

The whole industry of software says that piracy damage, they are the only one to actually be able to feel that.

And yet you keep arguing we should not listen to them but only to independant research.

Tell you what, those are business whole sole purpose is to make money, if it didn't damage them they wouldn't be spending money on DRM and lobyist because theirs shareholders really do not like wasted money....

It's like arguing that to know whether rape if a good or bad thing we should not take into account what the rape victims have to say....

Er... in appropriate analogy is SUPER inapropriate.  You owe quite the apology to rape victims for even beggining to try and compare the two.

Also, you know... Rape victims know they are raped, and know they are being harmed.  Because they are actually being raped.

Software executives don't have a clue if piracy hurts them or if piracy doesn't hurt them.  How would they?  Because they don't think they're making as much money as they should?  How would they know how much money they're supposed to be making?

Most don't have the actual background to understand... anything about it.

Unlike... economists. 

 

Who knows more about if you have disease or not and how bad it is?  The patient, or the Doctor diagnosing him?  


The patients opinion matters... but only until the experts weighs in.  


If you keep saying "something doesn't feel right, I know i'm sick".

Yet all the doctors keep saying "Your fine."  chances are, your a hypochondriac.