Islam is not bad, too many of you are ignorant of history.

[Joelcool7]

superchunk said:

However, I am not trying to point out flaws with Christianities history while ignoring the flaws in modern Islam. For some reason a few people in this thread have made the same point, but that is 100% not what the OP states.

I was merely trying to point of the ignorance in stating things about the moral superiority of Christianity vs Islam as way too many Christians do, when in fact Christianity has went through this exact same phase that lasted hundreds of years, whereas Islam has only been like this for less than 200.

To me its not helpful in any way to simply state Islam is evil and violent. Instead it should be focused on how do we revert Islam to its far peaceful past? How do we education the Muslim masses on their own Qur'an so they will stop listening to these extremist? How do we create a Renaissance in Islam?

Even today Christianity still has extremist elements. Those who attack gays, nonChristians, and abortion clinics. Difference is they are not have any power to perform larger havoc because the masses read and understand the real message in the NT of the Bible. That is what we should be focusing on when we discuss extremism in Islam.

People like Prodigy will never help bring about Islam as its actually taught in the Qur'an, instead they simply promote extremist views and adherents because it simply adds fuel to these groups initiatives.

Super Chunk that is alittle exagerated don't you think? During the Crusades it wasn't all one sided. The Moores (Muslims) forced many to convert. Sure they may not have gone to the extent of Genocide as often as some of the crusaders did but they were just as brutal.

Infact if you study the Crusades the only reason Saladin didn't slaughter every Christian in Jerusalem when he took it, was that the Crusaders threatened to execute every Muslim within the walls as well as destroy every Muslim Mosque and holy site. Saladin had the option kill them all and loose Jerusalem for ever or let some Christian's leave and enslave the remainder.

The Moores were known to be very brutal, also you talk about how under Muslim rule the Christians and jews were both allowed to worship freely in Jerusalem. Thats not what I learnt in social studies a large reason for the crusades was that many Christian's were persecuted. Several priests were killed.

You then say Christian's didn't allow Muslims to worship (At least I believe you said that) that is entirely not true. Muslims were also allowed to worship in Jerusalem under Christian rule to the same extent Christians were allowed in Muslim rule. Many were persecuted and imprisoned but some were allowed to worship.

Islam has been violent just as long as Christianity. The only difference is the New Testiment which is the basis for Christianity not once orders Christian's to slaughter non-believers. In Revelations it says God will unleash his rath on the non-believers but the New Testiment does not order Christians to kill infidel.

The Qur'an is very easily taken out of context because it is very violent. You mention that it was war time when it was written. But the New Testiment was written during persecution from the romans. The Romans and Jews killed many believers feeding them to Lions or making them into human torches. Yet the Bible says to love those that persecute you.

The major difference is the New Testiment can't be taken out of context to support mass murder. The violence of the Crusades was largely because nobody but the priests could read the Bible, so when the Catholic Church ordered its followers to defend Constantinople and retake Jerusalem they were able to lie to the people and convince them that killing Infidel was Christian.

Islamic extremists don't even have to lie to their congregations they can just take stuff out of context. Its in the Qur'an they just have to twist it. The same can not be done with the New Testiment.

I know Sapphi Snake was quick to mention that the Byzantine Empire and Constantinople were enemies. However when the Muslims continued advancing North they became a bigger threat to the Christian countries then each other were.

Example say the US and Russia were at War. But in the middle of that war aliens invaded the US or Russia. They would set aside their differences to fight off the invaders. Why? because they are both human and have more incommon with each other then the aliens.