JamaicameCRAZY said:
Kasz216 said:
JamaicameCRAZY said:
Kasz216 said:
JamaicameCRAZY said:
Kasz216 said:
JamaicameCRAZY said:
Kasz216 said:
funkateer said:
Regarding the geohot thing, what the article fails to acknowledge is that Sony is the 'Maker' here, not geohot.
Whether or not there is any legal ground for Sony is imho a bit irrelevant (who thinks the law is always fair anyway?). Even if Sony's agressive stance is smart or not is besides the point.
I feel they have the right to protect their investment, which geohot and the likes are jeopardizing. Sony has been selling their platform under cost price so that customers can afford the thing, meaning to recoup the investment by software. This investment created jobs for god knows how many people developing the platform & the content. That is why the PS3 is a closed platform. Personally I think that's a pretty compelling reason.
If geohot seriously thinks his 'efforts to avoid piracy' are enough than he's really one arrogant (or perhaps just thick and ignorant) kid. Who says his 'efforts' can not be worked around? Did he avoid a PS emulator to be ported? (Sony still sells PS1 games, mind you, so he has actually still opened the door to piracy in a way)
He distributed tools to break security, and that directly jeopardizes the bread and butter of a lot of people. So geohot, is your little hobby worth that? The industry is under enough pressure as it is, so I'd rather see him excercise his skills in a more meaningful way.
My 2cts
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Wouldn't that have been solved by... Sony not selling the PS3 for a loss. You are basically saying, Sony should be protected for making poor buisness decisions, and because tangentially something he did was used in a wrong way.
That's like saying gunmakers should be forced to store owners money because the guns they make may of been used to rob stores that don't have robbery insurance.
Laws shouldn't be crafted around poor buisness decisions.
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What would really solve it is.. Geo not trying to break security which would allow him and others access to information conected to peoples wallets/ pirate games/ steal shit. Which is illegal.
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He... didn't do that? He broke the secuirty that prevented a lot of other stuff... and then people went from their and broke into that stuff.
Well except the Credit Card shit... that's been around forever... because Sony doesn't encrypt the information it sends out... because... I have no idea why.
Regardless, it's been consistantly ruled that when a company ties the "legal" protections with the "illegal ones" they lose any right to litigation because they, not the hackers made it so that one had to be breached, to breach the other.
Unless there is a surprise ruling... they should lose on that count.
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which is Negligence/Carelessness.
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No, I think Sony did it on purpose personally. I wouldn't say they were being negligent or careless so much as they didn't care because they thought they had an unbeatable sysetm.
Though the not encrypting peoples credit card numbers was negligent and careless. They could get sued for that.
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Wow, very childish.
How many problems were there with the psn before he came along? How many are there now? The Psn and ps3 were fine before him from the inside sure its not a good system but for what 4years its been fine. He was very negligent and careless which is while he'll likely get sued for damages.
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A) Has been established he can't be sued for damages.
B) There were a lot of problems with the PSN before this? The credit card hacks existed well before he did anything.
C) There are STILL a lot less problems with PSN then there are 360 and PC in which you almost never run into a hacker anyway. So you are essentially argueing that he "ruined PSN" by making it less "safe" from hacking, yet still MORE safe then 360, Wii, PC and basically every other system because this requires you to download a special firmware, that sony coudd detect, and then IP ban you... within a day if they wanted because they are sending every piece of information they can to corporate headquarters.
D) Ok, now i'm sure you don't have the frame of refrence for this arguement and just want to be right, because you want to be right.
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A) where has it been established?
B) i can only think of 1 time (other than other peoples follies) and that was in 2008.
C) So the psn not encrypting credit cards is still safer than 360 and pc so why are we discusing this? also can you not ip spoof so they wont ban you?
D) can you please stop saying that i am just tired of hearing the same drivel about he is some personification of freedom and has not done anything wrong.
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A) Everywhere? Ever wonder why NOBODY has ever suggested he would be sued for negligence outside of you? You can't be sued for negligence for something someone else does. It's like saying you could sue gun companies because you knew someone somewhere was going to shoot someone with one of your guns.
B) What do you mean "other then peoples follies." You can't have your info stolen unless you download specific malware. It's no different then, then it is now, you will only lose your credit card number if you download the custom firmware.
C) Because you seem to think it's a problem? If you don't think it's a problem, what are you trying to argue? Besides, Sony isn't even sueing about this.
Though Sony could be sued specifically for negligence for not encrypting it in case someone broke into their system, because they are the ones sending the information to themselves.I
D) You're proving my point, you are saying ti because "your tired about the same drivel" you aren't actually trying to argue anything except trying everything you can to make him out to be the bad guy. You don't actually have the frame of refrence or knowledge base to have an intellegent conversation about it and are largely saying stuff like "he can be sued for negligence" even though... he really really can't.
He hasn't done anything wrong, was their negative aspects to what he did? Sure. There are negative aspects to EVERYTHING people do, for example when we send clothes to Africa we are destroying their local textile industry.
