SCE release Piracy Statement

[DonFerrari]

Kasz216 said:

DonFerrari said:

Kasz216 said:

DonFerrari said:

Another thing i want to see those economic studies that proves that in general people preffer to pay the right price than to have it for free..

If those things were true there would never been slavery, or slow wages and everything else... human want the most benefits for him.

I can see piracy helping spread content and making people know things that wouldn't be knowed if there wasn't for piracy. But this is most likely when piracy isn't something that anyone can do without any trouble because in this case the urge to buy will be lessened.

And about pirating because you don't have a job still you graduate and then start buying i can relate... I done it in the past but know i buy all my games, but at the same time i know 10x more people that still pirate even having an incoming.

This is why you can't trust random studies, if you bias it to choose the group you want to focus than your outcome will favor your point... so as a paid study from developer would say piracy is bad one paid by Geohot would show it's great, so the study you provided would be flawed (even mention Piratebay in the article)... and i still don't see what good the developer would see in blaming pirates if the piracy free world didn't helped them, because don't matter how much they make excuses it won't bring money or favor their marketshare.

That's just called... basic economic theory.   It's quite literally the foundation of all modern economics.  You won't see any articles on that in the same way that you won't find any scientific articles on "This new amazing thing called gravity."

If i'm not wrong super string theory is applied in gravity as Eistein expanded relativity theory. If one thing in science just the axioms don't change (as "there is gravity") but how it work always change during more discoveries...

And all time economics have new studies that change fundation, if not why would be neo-liberals, classics and different lines of studies??? Are you economist by the way?? Because China growth were based in piracy and stealth that didn't helped other markets if not for theirself.

I see you skiped the discussion about the article you brought and how piracy help music...

And in the market theories i studied the basis were never that a person preffer to buy for the right price than to steal... people don't steal for 2 reasons, one is the fear of being caught and the other ethics and social reason not because they like to spend their money... maybe you should put togheter the studies from diferent knowledges... the foundation of humanity is to take by force when you can.

 

I'll lunch and i'll finish soon.

I skipped the discussion about the article, because it was completely pointless.  You brought up zero valid points.

These studies are all over the place and repeatable, and who are they going to be paid for?  You think pirates aren't buying music, but are spending way more money to fund pro piracy studies?  

For what it's worth though, they were comparing teens vs other teens

 

The BI Norwegian School of Management yesterday released a report stating that teenagers who use P2P "unpaid downloading" services actually pay for ten times as much music as those who have not used P2P services. "This confirms that, even with declining CD sales, people do understand that copyrighted music recordings cost money," says assistant professor Audun Molde.

http://www.p2p-weblog.com/50226711/study_finds_pirates_buy_more_music.php

 

"The study was conducted amongst 1,901 participants over the age of 15," writes Geek.com's John Brownlee. "Not only were the music pirates of the bunch ten times more likely to download to pay music, but half the participants in the range of the ages of between fifteen and twenty had bought a CD in the last six months. Conclusion: music pirates are actually the music industry's largest source of legitimate online customers."

 

It's almost either a slight positive correlation, or no correlation at all when it comes to piracy and sales.

"University of London researchers, Birgitte Andersen and Marion Frenz surveyed a large group of Canadians and concluded that that people who download more music actually buy more CDs: “We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year.” This translates into: if someone downloads 270 songs a year, he or she will buy 9 CDs more than someone who only downloads 27 songs. Overall the researchers found no difference between pirates and other people in the number of CDs they buy nor did they find a positive or a negative relationship between filesharing and CD sales. Quick, someone send a memo to the RIAA that they’re suing their own customers."

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/11/03/canadian-study-piracy-boosts-cd-sales

 

Heck, even the "paid for" studies  are pretty damning just most of the info isn't aloud to be published.

 

"Mulligan has his hands tied and couldn’t say much about the findings without IFPI’s approval, but we managed to get confirmation that paying file-sharers are the music industry’s best customers. “A significant share of music buyers are file sharers also. These music buyers tend to be higher spending music buyers,” Mulligan told TorrentFreak."

http://torrentfreak.com/pirates-are-the-music-industrys-most-valuable-customers-100122/

 

26 percent say they spend either a little or a lot more music as a direct result... though 47 percent of filesharers buy the same amount as they used to, 19 percent either buy a little or a lot less as a result.

http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-research-p2p-filesharing-no-barrier-to-music-sales/

 

They were either inconclusive or slight to either side... and a research with only 2000 people without the brake through of methods and desviations isn't exactly a scientific study.

About pirates paying for research, you don't think PirateBay, Geohot or any other person being sued for some multi-million dolars from piracy would pay for a study?? Or that for-pirate comunity would pay for it?? In your vision just companies can be evil or manipulative?

Didn't saw any conclusive proof in any of the links you sent, and yet you say as it were certain and a lot of researchers and even government knows it... if government research shows that piracy benefit the industry sure they would say copright infrigment is no more, wait they didn't done that yet, curious.