Can Egyptians do it?

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MessiaH said:

Hey guys, first off, I would like to say that the general population on the gamrconnect forums are a thousand times more mature than those found at IGN. And I like that interesting and relevant non-gaming topics are opened for discussion here.

Anyway, to share my thoughts on this, and I didnt read all 19 or so pages worth of comments as there is only so much time I can slack off at work. But we all know now that Hosni Mubarak has stepped down. Those of you who fear that a fundamentalist group will step in his place should not worry, as the Egyptian people have a HUGE highly educated sector of their population that do not want that to happen. Also, the Muslim Brotherhood is not a fundamentalist regime of any sort, and have never been in ties with Iran. These fears should be set aside. There will most likely be some sort of democratic vote over the popular parties. Yes, the Muslim Brotherhood will be one of them, and they will probably have a strong backing from the lower class and less educated part of the population, but I highly doubt they they can get the majority to vote for them. 

Also, those who don't think that the US had anything to do with Mubarak's stay in power there are naive. There is a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, and the US wants to maintain that as they would do anything to protect Israel. Keeping Mubarak in place is one method. Now once Mubarak gets replaced, that certainly does not mean that the next person is going to rip that peace treaty apart and start shooting rockets into Israel. No. That is not to Egypt's advantage. However, unlike Mubarak who let Israel get away with breaking international law and UN resolutions, the next person who takes over MIGHT, MIIIGHT be brave enough to place necessary political pressures on Israel to play a fairer game towards the peace process that they are not interested in.

At the end of the day, those Egyptians were EXTREMELY brave for wat they did, and it is their persistence that led them to this success. On day 10 and 11 of the protests, many thought it was over and that they would have to wait until September for Mubarak to step down, but their persistence led to this. Now it would also be naive for us to think that it was purely this persistence that led to Mubarak stepping down. There was obvious foreign pressure at play, but this foreign pressure would not have increased without the people standing their ground. 

Now we just have to hope this ends up turning into the greater good.

And in the case of Lebanon (reading some earlier posts), there are 2 main factions that oppose one another. The pro-syrians (including Hezbollah) and the anti-syrians. What started off as a government having majority in the anti-syrian sector, now ended up with Hezbollah having majority. But that was done by way of force and violence. Whereas the anti-syrians did not want to start another civil war, have more people killed and bring the country back down again, Hezbollah were ready to do so as their interest is not that of the country but of themselves. Shit, when these people march and protest, they do not hold the flag of Lebanon, no, they hold the flag of their faction and posters of their leader Hassan Nasrallah. That simple imagery shows that they dont have the country's well-being in mind. And the fact that they have now literally stolen the power through violence and threats worries me greatly. I do not know what will happen to Lebanon. And quite frankly, I dont see these no-good people stepping down unless they get violently crushed and thrown out. Which is a shame, cause that would mean another civil war needs to take place in that country. And things like that please countries like Israel as having their neighbour get destroyed internally once again means that this neighbour will be a broken, useless husk of a country that would not be able to contend Israel with anything it does.

Its a cruel world in many parts of the Middle East, and some areas NEED a revolution for betterment.

I dont intend on offending anyone, I realize there are posters here from Israel, Syria and all round the world. A fact is a fact though, a government is clearly in the wrong or right, although in most cases a government does not speak for all its people. So when I point out that Israel isn't going about the right way with the peace process, I am in no way concluding that its people agree with its actions.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think a few quotes would be nice, you could say I'm cheating but they sum up my points pretty nicely.

George Bernard Shaw:

"Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few."

That's addressing the (possible) future election. It really doesn't matter if they are democrats or or Muslim Botherhood if they are corrupt.

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VERY important detail about the Muslim Brotherhood. Tariq Ramadan who is known to have helped finance 9/11 and gave financial and verbal support for some Islamic terror issues in England and western countries is the crux.  He was banned from the US though he is a Oxford professor. Now that's not even mentioning how when he goes to Tehran U or any other  Muslims country he speaks in signs suggesting that terror is what should be done and advocating Muslim dominance. His position in the Oxford University Faculty of Theology is paid by quatar emirate following the demand of the Muslim Brotherhood preacher Youssef Qaradawi.

Another detail about the Muslim Brotherhood is that they are bed buddies with the OIC which was already in bed with Egypt in the form of Hosni Mubarak, a great example of their agenda would be the black mailing of Denmark by the OIC after the president of Denmark refused to meet their demands of nationalising the Free Press.  (Other demands as well) The Muslm Brotherhood and OIC are responsible for well coordinated attacks  on Denmarks Embassies around the world.

Which forces me to another detail about Youssef Qaradawi since you brought up Hezbolah, he directly supports Hezbolah and it's anti-semitic actions, he also identifies Jewish women as soldiers, he issued a fatwa to support Hezbolah and for a unified Messopotamian Arabic movement toward the destruction of Israel in support of Hezbolah. This has nothing to do with Lebanon it's just about what happens when religion is politics.

Lebanon for all intents and purposes is Afghanistan without a US military war effort. The ones caught in the middle are the ones who want to live in peace; who are the ones who need to do something about it.

"Evil thrives when good men do nothing."

As such...

It's the sad fate for the  person who refuses to fess up to their own short comings, whats a sadder fate is a whole nation that would refuse to fess up to it's own short comings and what's the saddest fate? Well I'll keep this one a secret.

Egyptians could blame the flying pizza monster for keeping Mubarak in power it doesn't change that they are the ones who could and did oust him, it's called a revolution revolt for a reason.

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The cost of freedom is not the blood of Americans. Americans learned that in Vietnam which might be why they are so iffy about staying in Afghanistan. (Chalk one up for history there.)

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Not even going to get started with anti-semitism topics then I'd probably end up trolling =P.

 

Edit- Sorry got sleepy and didn't feel like jotting more quotes that I might have to clarify in another post.