Sony On The Hunt For All The Hackers

[Spankey]

daroamer said:

Spankey said:

whatever said:

 

The whole "licensing" software model has been an attempt to bypass the laws of ownership and fair use.  It's complete BS.  There is no reason I can't reverse engineer a piece of software I bought.  If someone uses that for illegal purposes, then they are at fault, not me.  I haven't stolen anything.  To suggest that this is stealing is just ridiculous.

A company should never be able to tell you how you can use something that you've bought, period.  Company profits should never be placed above consumer rights.

100% corect.

however, you have not bought the software. you have bought the right to use the Software according to the terms laid out and accepted by you when you handed the money over and fired up the software.

all the 'owners' of the games who have paid up however many dollars from a store to get the disks have not bought the software. They've bought a licence to use it, and that licence is subject to various terms and conditions, exactly like the OS software on the PS3.

It would be a completely different story if the OS software or any software for that matter was released as open source, bit it isn't, and even the use of open source software is subject to certain terms and conditions.

If you went to Sony, the devs or whoerver owns the IP and actually bought the full rights to the game, it wouldn't cost you a measly $50 or whatever, the cost could run into the millions. Perhaps then you could reverse engineer to your hearts content

No, incorrect.

Fair use:

"Fair use, a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative work, is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship."

Reverse engineering has historically been protected under fair use.  That includes reverse engineering of software.

http://www.yalelawjournal.org/the-yale-law-journal/content-pages/the-law-and-economics-of-reverse-engineering/

Again, Sony is not suing them for finding the key, they are trying to sue for distributing it.

way to skip basically all i wrote and miss my point entirely lol.

tl/dr version: he said he bought the software, but he hasn't.

anyway, as to your DMCA and fair use statement:

part 5 of the journal extract refers:

In 1998, Congress outlawed the reverse engineering of technical protections for digital versions of copyrighted works and prohibited both the creation and distribution of tools for such reverse engineering (except in very limited circumstances) as well as the disclosure of information obtained in the course of lawful reverse engineering.

also in pg 61 of the PDF:

The DMCA now permits circumvention for seven purposes: legitimate
law enforcement and national security purposes,288 achieving program-toprogram
interoperability,289 engaging in “ legitimate” encryption
research,290 testing the security of computer systems,291 enabling nonprofit
libraries, archives, and educational institutions to make purchasing decisions,292 allowing parents to control their children’s use of the
Internet,293 and protecting personal privacy

do you really think these clowns and GeoHot were doing this for engaging in “ legitimate” encryption
research?  Legitimate? Really? come on.