elticker said:
they refused to give us the planes we needed thats why our plane losses were so big, if we had .this article shows how technologically undermanned we were at air. I recall reading an article which said that soviet union refused to sell us their most advanced planes for the war before it began. sraeli air defenses took a toll on the Egyptian Air Force. Egypt acknowledged the loss of five aircraft during the air strike, and Andrew McGregor states that the success of the first strike negated the need for a second planned strike.[51][52][53] The airstrike's effectiveness, however, was questioned by Pollack, who notes that 18 Egyptian aircraft were shot down for no Israeli losses and that these losses prompted the cancellation of the second planned wave.[54] Saad El Shazly acknowledged that the Egyptians lost 15 planes. In one notable engagement during this period, a pair of Israeli F-4E Phantoms challenged 28 MiGs over Sharm el-Sheikh and within half an hour, shot down between seven and eight Egyptian MiGs with no losses.[55][56] I didn't know they gave us 2k12 sam batteries. |
That quote shows no mention of the type of aircraft used by the Egyptians as being sub-standard, or inferior to Israeli F-4E's. Care to provide an ORBAT that shows that the Egyptians were using inferior aircraft? Last I checked, they were using the same thing the Vietnamese used (Mig-21's) which were one of the best Soviet aircraft at that time.
Ah, I've done your work for you. They used Mig-21's almost exclusively. There was only one Eastern Bloc aircraft that was newer than it (Mig 23), which wasn't for export at that time (too new). I don't think you can claim the Mig 21 to be very inferior to F4's or A4's, as the Vietnamese did pretty well against the Americans in Vietnam using the same aicraft (13 Vietnamese pilots scored 5 or more kills against American aircraft during the Vietnam War).
http://webspace.webring.com/people/qs/skythe/losses.htm
Yes, the Egyptians were using Soviet-supplied 2K12 Kubs, which is why Israel lost a large number of aircraft during the war:
Yom Kippur War
The 2K12 surprised the Israelis in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. They were used to having air superiority over the battlefield. The highly mobile 2K12 took a heavy toll on the slower A-4 Skyhawk and even the F-4 Phantom, forming a protective umbrella until they could be removed. The radar warning receivers on the Israeli aircraft did not alert the pilot to the fact that he was being illuminated by the radar. Once the RWRs were reprogrammed and tactics changed, the 2K12 was no longer such a grave threat. Pilots dubbed the 2K12 the "Three Fingers of Death", in reference to the launcher's appearance.
The superior low altitude performance of the weapon, and its new CW semi-active missile seeker resulted in a much higher success rate compared to the earlier SA-2 and SA-3 systems. While exact losses continue to be disputed, around 40 aircraft are usually cited as lost to SAM shots, and the 2K12 / SA-6 proved most effective of the three weapons.[9]
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
