DonFerrari said:
thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
damndl0ser said:
mchaza said:
DonFerrari said:
mchaza said:
edit: didn't mean to post an unfinished post
but i will say this is bad because revealing any sercuity flaws on the internet when 99% of the time it would be used for bad not good like this guy is wanting with the linux.
So i am on sony side on this
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If you are a "security researcher" you would do that to improve security, so the person you should publish your discovers should be the creator of the system so they improve... then if you publish a way to harm the system you are not a security researcher but a security breacher...
All in all they are hacker doing for themselves, changing names is just to give them some credibility.
@thranx: And would you bet that the hackers used 100% their own programation lines? I doubt more than 10% is made by them and the other 90% is from sony. And the master keys are sony software and if they extract or use they are wrong again...
And one thing is cracking/hacking or anything you want to do with your PS3, but if your actions harm someone and that person or company decide to react don't pretend to be surprised or that they are malicious toward you... if someone did bring harm to you using your toys you would also attack back, but i must remember that hackers are good person that never created virus or done anything wrong, they are almost virtual saints.
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You wouldn't publish your finding on the web when its common sense people will use it for bad thing. You would sell it to SONY who would be glad that someone has found faults for them to fix.
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That would be about the same thing as blackmail. Hi my name is Geohot and I have an exploit that will butt fuck your consoles security. If you don't hire me or give me x amount of money I will release it into the wild. Ding Ding Ding, blackmail attempt and the guy would be in even more shit than he is now. Probably even behind bars.
Some of you don't understand the Linux community at all. They tend to find and release security flaws within a system so that other people can fix the problem. Thats why Linux is one of the most secure OS platforms around . This entire thing should be very scary to everyone who enjoys console gaming. If Sony succeeds in its venture then we will end up pretty much just like the satellite tv market. They had a severe problem with people hacking their devices and getting free satellite tv. So they ended up basically charging you the same amount of money for said device except instead of owning it you lease it from them. Once you end your service with the company you have to send the device back into the company so you can't resell it to recoup your initial investment. If you don't return the device they charge you the price of a new system even if you have had it for years. Personally I think its a shitty idea and I hope Sony loses 100%....
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In Brazil i didn't payed for my Receptor using a 1 year subscription, and I don't pay a monthly fee for the item, just for the service (altought it's expensive and this may be hidden).... for me in Cable doesn't make any sense to keep the receptor if you won't have the service...and why would you have a PS3 if you don't connect to internet (PSN disagreamment), don't have games or movies (to use your cable tv idea)... what would be the use to it?
So they can still play games just offline? YOu know many people keep their console offline anyways.
And you see it as blackmailing, but can be different, he can say he have found some breaches send them and ask for a position just don't put condition, because if he wants better security putting it online for free will damage the company and he won't earn anything (just the donations, that for me is just a way to say he don't profit).
That is still black mail, not the way he sees it, but in the eyes of US laws.
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I don't mind someone with a homebrew playing online... about cheating and pirating playing offline still a crime, so Sony can't really fight to win in this case...
So you agree that sony is wrong in this case as its not about piracy or cheating?
About blackmailing as long as he do it right... I don't think Sony would pursue him if he just sent the discoveries and a resume. And maybe sony's lawyers can prove that accepting donations because off his work as hacker and publish of harmfull content could be seen as profiting from coprighted material.
Still blackmail. No way around it. Sony may not purue but is that a risk you want to take when sony acts this way? I wouldn't
And you see they are suing Geo Hot not team Overflow, why would that be? Maybe because the second did it in a way that don't open the system to pirating even tough they discovered more than GeoHot... But whatever, this rumour won't come to fruitition...
Also we see Activision spelling the beams and probably many other publishers babling about breach of security but you want Sony to take action in a way that is possible just in fantasy world.
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