EFF on Sony v. Hotz

[DonFerrari]

damndl0ser said:

mchaza said:

DonFerrari said:

mchaza said:

edit: didn't mean to post an unfinished post 

but i will say this is bad because revealing any sercuity flaws on the internet when 99% of the time it would be used for bad not good like this guy is wanting with the linux.

So i am on sony side on this

If you are a "security researcher" you would do that to improve security, so the person you should publish your discovers should be the creator of the system so they improve... then if you publish a way to harm the system you are not a security researcher but a security breacher...

All in all they are hacker doing for themselves, changing names is just to give them some credibility.

@thranx: And would you bet that the hackers used 100% their own programation lines? I doubt more than 10% is made by them and the other 90% is from sony. And the master keys are sony software and if they extract or use they are wrong again...

And one thing is cracking/hacking or anything you want to do with your PS3, but if your actions harm someone and that person or company decide to react don't pretend to be surprised or that they are malicious toward you... if someone did bring harm to you using your toys you would also attack back, but i must remember that hackers are good person that never created virus or done anything wrong, they are almost virtual saints.

You wouldn't publish your finding on the web when its common sense people will use it for bad thing. You would sell it to SONY who would be glad that someone has found faults for them to fix. 

That would be about the same thing as blackmail.  Hi my name is Geohot and I have an exploit that will butt fuck your consoles security.  If you don't hire me or give me x amount of money I will release it into the wild.  Ding Ding Ding, blackmail attempt and the guy would be in even more shit than he is now.  Probably even behind bars.

Some of you don't understand the Linux community at all.  They tend to find and release security flaws within a system so that other people can fix the problem.  Thats why Linux is one of the most secure OS platforms around .  This entire thing should be very scary to everyone who enjoys console gaming.  If Sony succeeds in its venture then we will end up pretty much just like the satellite tv market.  They had a severe problem with people hacking their devices and getting free satellite tv.  So they ended up basically charging you the same amount of money for said device except instead of owning it you lease it from them.  Once you end your service with the company you have to send the device back into the company so you can't resell it to recoup your initial investment.  If you don't return the device they charge you the price of a new system even if you have had it for years.  Personally I think its a shitty idea and I hope Sony loses 100%....

In Brazil i didn't payed for my Receptor using a 1 year subscription, and I don't pay a monthly fee for the item, just for the service (altought it's expensive and this may be hidden).... for me in Cable doesn't make any sense to keep the receptor if you won't have the service...and why would you have a PS3 if you don't connect to internet (PSN disagreamment), don't have games or movies (to use your cable tv idea)... what would be the use to it?

And you see it as blackmailing, but can be different, he can say he have found some breaches send them and ask for a position just don't put condition, because if he wants better security putting it online for free will damage the company and he won't earn anything (just the donations, that for me is just a way to say he don't profit).

@thranxs: the real problem is the way it were hacked no firmware update can suffice, as the homebrew will possibly circunvent the ways to block entrance. And you can't say you don't know in Law, if you have done something that could provide harm to others you can be held liable even tough you say (and sometimes even mean) you had no intention.

About the use of public road, psn would be like that, but you can't use a stealth car or one without license without being seem, with software it's possible.

About the consumers right, so i can prosecute them because their hack interfere with my rights also, but you don't think so, because it's their hardware so it only affects them... if gaming fees and prices rises or games are prevented from release so they caused harm to other costumer. You can even use tobacco, you bought you may use as you please, but you can harm others with your smoke so people shouldn't smoke around other do you see this often??? Just with law enforcement this happen.

 

It's really idiotic this "i bought i can do what i want" if those hackers are so good, keep themselves from buying a PS3 hardware and buy the transistors, resistors and assembly their own PS3 and then they can use what they want... Sony could even say they bought the hardware (the pieces, as said before) but how to assembly and use is copright protected so people can't modify it. The day hackers start changing processors, Ram memory and upgrading games through patches as they do in PC maybe I can say they are hacking the hardware, while they use Software to make the software play something that can be illegal i don't see why so much defense...

Everybody defending hacking say we love Sony, so you love the hackers?? And about it being yours and you doing whatever you want with it i'm really happy playing game and seing move with it, no need for hacking mine... this kind of customization i use my PC for.