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Rath on 22 January 2011
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pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:

United States national motto: ''In God we trust''. This sentence is also on american dollar bill.

The American decleration of Independece

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

Creator reffers to God 

The Constitution mentions "In the year of our Lord"

The Lord reffers to God as well.

The belief in God is in very roots of american country, so if you dont like ik, you shouldnt excpect the whole country to chnage their orgins because you find every single thing offendable and biased.

So this is really just another excuse for people to protest and blab on about something


In God We Trust was added as the motto and to the currency much later on, early American wasn't fundamentalist. Indeed the Senate ratified the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797 (back when many of the Founding Fathers were still around) wit the text:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries"

I have no problem with him saying that he is a Christian, and that as such he believe in Jesus. But saying he wants everybody in his state to convert to Christianity is simply not an appropriate thing for a governer to say in any context. Religious beliefs of leaders should be personal, they should never try and spread them while in office.

Who gives a fuck in what year it was added? That doesnt make diffrence. The fact remain, its still a motto of a country, and you can keep spining it how ever you want to make yourself feel better about it. its not gonna change the fact that God is mentioned couple of times in the beginning of american politics. I gave clear examples from the Constitiution and the Decleration of Independece, two most important documents in american history, both hold much more value than Treaty of Tripoli. Not to mention an american currency which is also has a very religious statement ''In God we trust'' And no where does it actually say that they worhsip Christian God or that they are christians, its simply says ''God'' or ''Lord'', ''Creator''. So they reffer to God but not to a specific God from specific religion. So whole Treaty of Tripoli text isnt really disporiving me because no where does it says that America is founded of Christian religion ( even though 100% of americans were christians back than ) just the belief in God, not in christian God.

 

Actually many significant founding fathers (ie. Thomas Jefferson) were not really Christians. They were Deists. Also simply having God mentioned in the constitution doesn't mean that everyone should convert to Christianity.