| sapphi_snake said: @Joelcool7: You find it offensive that anyone has a different view then you? I find it offensive when others criticise my views, and try to convert me to their religion. Don't you wish everyone else agreed with your idealogies? Is that not equally offensive? No it isn't it isn't offensive at all. No really. And even if I did, I wouldn't tell it to them (unless I actually wanted to insult them). Every few days I run into a Muslim or a Jehovah's witness or a Jew and every few days they say we wish you believed as we do. Yet I don't go around getting offended a pissed off, neither should you. It isn't offensive at all. I find such people annoying, and I just ignore them. Umm lame excuse? You mean the foundation of my faith? You mean the foundation of one third of the worlds faith? Yes its so lame. Yes, it is lame. I'm using my freedom of speech to express my views openly, disregarding that I may be offending you. Do you like it? Why are you being a hypocrite? I'm just expressing my beliefs. Well you don't care about offending one third of the worlds population. I've read many of your threads and posts isn't it alittle hypocritical of you to think its okay to offend everyone else but when a man offends you suddenly all hell brakes loose? If I offend other people, that's OK, as I don't care if people like me or not. I actualyl don't mind that you feel offended. You're only making my point for me, which is: you should be careful what you say IF YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO LIKE YOU. If you don't care if you may offend other people, then you can say whatever, and the offended people have every right to make their feelings known. A politician should not purposely offend people under his authority. However as I said the statement was not offensive, if offence was caused it was unintentional. Any level-headed person would realise that what he said was downright offensive. Honestly silly religious people? Should I dignify that with a response. No I shouldn't it just shows how you don't care about offending anyone. You just care about being offended. By "silly religous people" I meant people who gain trust in a politician because he goesto Church and makes speeches like this one. I was reading lots of posts on forums from peopel saying they trust htis guy because he's a Christian, and that's really not a good reason to put your trust into someone, though it's a tactic politicians often use. In the end you want your politicians to agree with you and you alone. You don't want them having a faith or belief. You don't want them to practice their belief. That my friend is not democracy its dictatorship! I don't have any problems with them holding whatever religious beleifs they want. But when they start proselytising, that's when I have a problem with it. |
He wasn't trying to convert anyone. he was stating fact and saying that he wanted everyone to be Christian. I don't see how that is trying to convert you it was stating fact and opinion.
Really you think that you telling someone your beliefs is offensive? I don't buy for a second that you don't want anyone to believe as you do, its human nature to want others to share your views. Also judging from past threads I'd say you very much like people to agree with your opinions. Theirs nothing wrong with that, are you saying every time you go on about your beliefs to users of VGChartz you are personally trying to offend them? I know of a few times you have sided with me and others where we have been against each other. But in every case you do preach your point of view, i'd hate to think you are actually purposely trying to offend people? Fact is it isn't offensive you seem to be the only one offended by people sharing their different views with you or you with others.
I myself do not find people of other faiths annoying. While I disagree with their idealogies I like the fact that they actually care about my soul. They just want to save me and that is a good thing it shows their is humanity out their that people still care about one another. I do in most cases ignore them because lets face it we disagree but I am not offended nor do I find them annoying. Infact you can learn alot about other peoples faiths and their decision making process by talking to these people. Its very enlightening.
Not being a hypocrit. I was pointing out you being a hypocrit. Note I used sarcasm and did not actually persecute you for your belief or statement. I didn't belittle you in any way I was simply pointing out irony and hypocracy. It is your democratic right to hold your beliefs if you believe the Bible is lame good for you. But saying such incites hatred and animosity something I didn't think you believed in. Unless as you said you don't mind offending everyone.
I'm actually not making your point as I do enjoy debating things with you. I don't dislike you because of your beliefs and statements. Some times they get pretty offensive but that doesn't make you a bad person nor does it change my views of you. Now yes if you were a politician you'd be insaine to call the Bible lame or its followers silly. But again that is far more offensive then what this man said. Proving my point, he wasn't being offensive he was just stating fact and opinion in a non-offensive fashion.
Another insult (Calling me not level headed) it's all about context. It wasn't offensive in any way shape or form. The speech was not aimed at non-Christians it was aimed at the church's followers. He wasn't proselytising he was talking to fellow Christians about his faith at a church.
If you meant blind sheep maybe you should have said Blind sheep and explained your comment. Rather then saying silly Christian's. You aren't refering to just Christians your refering to people of all faiths who trust their leaders based on their religion. Also that doesn't make them silly their are more politically correct ways of saying that.
Again he wasn't proselytising he was addressing Christians in a church. He wasn't going out into the streets trying to convert people. His comments were taken out of context then blown out of purportion. What he says in the privacy of his church is not proselytising.
Anyways I find it funny that you are always talking about seperation of church and state and American laws and constinution and religion. When you yourself are Romanian. Then I a Canadian come in to defend the US laws and constition and always take the other end of the debate. While neither of us is American. That is sort of funny!
-JC7
"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer
