Joelcool7 said:
Squilliam said:
Joelcool7 said:
Squilliam said:
Joel you have to note that Jobs also head up one of the biggest animated companies as well, I believe, Pixar. It isn't like he didn't do well outside of Apple when he was ousted.
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Never indicated he didn't do well. I was indicating that he made mistakes like every other exec while he was at Apple. Just look at the computer division and the Pipin and all the other products Jobs was behind at Apple. Sure the I-Pod , I-Phone and I-Pad have all been very successful but can you credit everything to just Jobs?
Apple has a very talented team and many execs who could probubly stear Apple almost as well as Jobs can. Its not like Jobs himself created the I-Phone , I-Pad or I-Pod, his team did. He probubly had final say on the products but they weren't made by Jobs.
Pixar did great while Jobs was in charge but thats a perfect example. Today Jobs isn't really involved in Pixar yet Pixar is still doing well. The point I was trying to make is Apple may not need Jobs as much as many Apple fans believe.
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You could argue that Pixar is in a good position because of the decisions Jobs made and the same applies to Apple. Sure, you can't credit everything to Jobs but when two of the companies he runs rise to the top of their respective industries it is pretty easy to see the connection. All companies have very talented individuals, perhaps what they don't have is Steve Jobs or the equivalent.
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Again Jobs is a great exec, as I pointed out much like Gates was to Microsoft and Iwata to Nintendo. But that does not mean Apple is doomed without him. Example Reggie is a great exec for Nintendo many would say he's one of the best, but NOA could survive without him. Just as Apple can survive without jobs. Jobs is definatly one of the most intelligent men on earth but their bound to be another good exec within Apple or within Apple's pay grade.
I don't think Apple is going anywhere regardless of what happens to Jobs, much like Pixar never went anywhere.
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The market seems to think so:
http://www.zimbio.com/Steve Jobs/articles/1HVQeTl_jQq/Apples Stock VS Steve Jobs Leave Absence
Also note: Apple performance without Steve and not Apple performance with Steve. You can use a mean or median if you want.
On July 9, 1997, Gil Amelio was ousted as CEO of Apple by the board of directors after overseeing a 12 year record low stock price and crippling financial losses.[citation needed] Jobs stepped in as the interim CEO to begin a critical restructuring of the company's product line. He would eventually become CEO and has served in that position to the present day.
So he took Apple from a record low to a record high. Not just any one executive could have done that.
