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WereKitten said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

@FreeTalkLive:

And neither should owning a gun be a right. As I said, it's unnecessary in today's society.

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Furthermore.  Not wearing a seatbelt doesn't make driving a car anymore dangerous for anyone but you.

Still, not wearing a seatbelt you're statistically much more prone to serious injuries even in minor car accidents. In a country where healthcare is heavily socialized that means much higher financial costs for everybody, but even in the US it still means needlessly hogging time and personnel resources, e.g in an ER during the triage and first assistance phases, possibly causing damage or inconvenience to other harmed people.

No need to point out that it's a slippery slope ("then why shouldn't the government force you to eat better and live a more healthy lifestyle"), but the specific case sounds a little enough violation of personal freedom to me -what's the problem? wrinkled shirts?- that such a law enforcement makes sense if you don't live alone on an island.

As for the guns, are you really saying that the right to bear arms makes sense so that there can be a legal revolution? :)

It's not really a matter of a slippery slope arguement, as that in of itself is the problem I have with socialized things.  You need to infringe on peoples rights as a rule just to make the numbers work financially. (And even then....)

It doesn't matter how trivial or pointless a personal freedom is, it's a personal freedom. 

No law should ever be imposed that infringes on anothers right, unless it prevents a direct threat.  Even if it's a freedom that has no advantage to anyone or reason.  Like say, the freedom to stab yourself in the foot.  Not to mention all the cuts it leads to elsewhere.  Not to mention the other cuts.  Like say, not fully funding health and science ventures because all it will do is baloon medical expenses and goverment pensions and goverment social security.

Also, I'm not sure you can call the romanian revolution a legal one.  It afterall did come about thanks to a bunch of illegal rioting.  But in general, weaponry does give regular people leverage in both legal and illegal revolutions and preventing dictatorships... because the case for opression is going to be harder to make because it will be harder.