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jarrod said:
silicon said:
jarrod said:

Lostplanet22 said:

AAA. game...Quality...And it has an 72 on metacritic... They just made a Disney game for the audience who wants it.   They just could made a Mickey Party game and it would also pass 1-2 million sales;.

AAA game is a reflection on the scale of budget, not the inbred industry press critical responses to it.  Lost Planet 2, despite having an even worse metacritic rating of 68-63 (depending on platform), is still most certainly a AAA game in the sense that's being talked about in this thread.

And Mickey Party probably would've done as well as Pca-Man Party (ie: not at all).  Disney has said Epic Mickey is their most successful sales launch in history.  Better than any of the Kingdom Hearts games even, none of which passed 1.3m their first NPDs btw, in fact none even sold half that.  This is hardly a business as usual release or performance, attributing Epic Mickey's sales to the brand/audience alone is basically you sticking your head in the sand...

I think NOT attributing a lot of sales to brand / audience is sticking your head in the sand. Most game sales trends point to that. Also, Kindom Hearts may have grown the Disney brand within a certain audience thus generating more sales for the next Disney games.

Quality of a game is something noone will experience until they actually buy the game... but at that point the game is already sold.

Budget also helps to in the sense that there's good marketing and that the game is polished to make pretty gameplay videos.

Well, good thing I'm NOT NOT attributing a significant amount of sales to brand / audience. ;)

Spector absolutely made the right decision in focusing on Wii, the core Nintendo audience and expanded casual audience fits his game like a glove.  I don't think the game could've asked for better sales, and I doubt even combined across 360 and PS3 it'd have hit the same first month benchmark.

But one the other hand... how well do you think "Mickey Party" would've sold?  And how exactly would Kingdom Hearts have grown the base for Epic Mickey specifically?  Are you saying most KH fans are also Wii owners (hmm...)?  There's pretty clearly more at play here than "lol Wii casuals buy anything" and "lol people know that Mickey is"...

I agree that Wii is a good fit for Epic Mickey. But I also think Mickey Party would have sold well. 1 million. Maybe if they did a Mickey Sports or something similar. Or Disney World Sports. 1 Million isn't unreasonable. There is an audience for those games, which may not completely overlap with Epic Mickeys audience.

One thing Epic Mickey showed was that Mickey's brand isn't as strong as they thought. Which was why there was the immediate press release blaming the camera controls, which I don't think have anything to do with sales.

With resepct to KH, I said a certain audience. I.E. Many young gamers did not grow up watching Mickey mouse, they didn't have mickey mouse club or anything like that. Most shows on the Disney channel are not even cartoons. KH hearts leveraged the FF brands to encourage younger gamers or gamers who were more familiar with the FF fantasy world, and introduced them to the disney world.