Democratic congresswoman shot in Arizona.

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FreeTalkLive said:

In most states, and historically in all of the US, there is no permit to own a gun.  Historically, there was no permit to carry a gun, although most states have no enacted such permits.

So is such states, such as New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine and so on, a legal gun owner is someone that is legally allowed to own a gun.    This may mean no felonies on a person's record or no history of failing psychiatric evaluations.

In the US, people are born with the right to own a gun.  Apparently, it is a right that can be removed but a right nontheless.  Owning a gun isn't like owning a TV, a car or a cell phone.  Those aren't rights.

The New Hampshire system isn't retarded.  In fact, I don't think that it legally goes far enough.  I don't think the gun laws in any of the US states are in line with the 2nd Amendment of the US Consitution just yet.  Hopefully in 10 years or so there will be a lot less gun laws in the US in general and NH too.

I understand you aren't from a place that prides itself as the most free place in the world, but that's what meaning of us are trying to do in NH.  It's understanding about you have so much faith in government and put safety before rights.  Where I come from, rights come first.  That's how I was able to defeat the proposed seat belt law in 2009 in NH.  Can you believe some people in government, they actually wanted to ticket adults if they didn't wear a seat belt in a car?  Heck, our state motto is Live Free or Die.  Many of us take it seriously.

I'm a Libertarian as well, though quite the moderate in comparison to most (even though I've been a member of the party since 1998).

There is a difference between freedom and respect for society. Pretty much, we all agree that licensing a driver, making sure they're insured, and THEN allowing them on our roadways is a good idea. You cannot trust the broke-ass freeloader to not run rampant on our roads in a broke-ass car, and damage, hurt, or kill another person.

The SAME, if not MORE, goes for carrying a firearm in public. Most of us, if need be, would obtain a license to carry a firearm in public, concealed or otherwise. We're law-abiding citizens (more on this later). I see people carry on about how it's appropriate to let the Constitution let 13 year olds carry a firearm. IT MAKES NO SENSE. They are not responsible adults. A simple test of firearm safety and compliance goes a long way.

The government's role in the world is to keep the populace safe and free (the mantra of the Libertarian Party). If that's the case, why do we embrace these laws that contradict that ideal so much? I'm not arguing for stricter gun laws, I'm arguing for reasonable conversation and examination of such laws.