Oh my god, the selective service system sent me a registration letter

[Lostplanet22]

mrstickball said:

voty2000 said:

Pay attention to what I'm saying.  Shitty stuff happens during the war that's all you've shown.  Not all wars are justifiable and some are just plain wrong.  But just because crappy stuff happens does not mean that all war is evil.  If a country tries to rise up and overthrow the world, they must be brought down.  You;re trying to put words in my mouth by saying I don't think bad stuff happens.  But with all the crap that happened in the American Revolution, WW I and WW II, those were not evil on our part.  THe enemy was evil and had to be stopped.  You can't argue against that.

Again, I'm not saying that evil does not exist in war, even on the part of the good guys, but the small amount of crap that happens does not mean the entire army of the good guys is wrong.  I'm not going into small skirmishes like columbia because I can't say for certain what should have happened.  What I will say is the WW I and WW II had to happen to stop Germany.  I know it's pointless to discuss somehting like this with you because you will not listen to reason, but maybe it will make you stop and think that you don't know all and your views are not the end all.

Last words, again, five years from now if you see this post, you'll realize how off some of the things your saying are.  I know from experience.  Good day random internet fanatic, I won't even look at the response so don't bother.

This will be my last post in the thread, because I don't think what I say will do any good but..

The central problem with his line of thought "War is evil. We should never participate in it as Americans. All external wars would of been solved without our intervention" throws away the idea that greater evils would of taken place had we not intervened - in fact, on levels that make things like Abu Ghraib and other American atrocities look like an episode of Sesame Street.

For example, had we not of intervened in World War 2, the following would of happened:

The Soviet Union would of taken the entirety of Europe, leading them into poverty and destruction for many decades. Furthermore, many human rights would of been utterly destroyed. As far as we know, the Russians raped over 2 million German women during and after the war. A number that is multiples higher than any claimed number by the Western allies in the Brits, Americans, and Canadians. And that was with us taking half of Germany before the war ended. Furthermore, the Soviets would of done things unimaginable to the Japanese had they of been the only ones to solve that side of the war. I would imagine that the Soviets would of ended up invading Japan, along with the Chinese, and killing/raping every last Japanese citizen to the last child, for their atrocities in China. Far worse outcomes than what we experienced, having intervened in the war.

Oh, lets not forget the nuclear war that would of occurred in the 1960's that would of resulted in the death of approximately 1 billion Asians and Russians, had we not intervened (I wonder how many know of that one?).

According to Phoenix, such atrocities would be 'ok' because they aren't our atrocities. According to his line of logic, its better if a billion people die, and millions raped, tortured and beaten as long as it isn't you, or your country. That is why I have a problem with his logic. By his logic, we should not have police either, or desire to defend our family or property if ever assaulted by another individual.

Their is a small difference...German soldiers did no mistreat in USA/Canada/UK (except for the bombs ofcourse) Simply saying the Russians soldiers were fueled by anger for revenge;..And every human knows that the weakness of every man is his wife...Don't want to mention it but that was the same for Vietnam isn't it? " During the Vietnam war, rape was in fact an all too common occurrence, often described by GIs as SOP--standard operating procedure."