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voty2000 on 16 January 2011
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pearljammer said:
voty2000 said:
 

I cook all the time and go grocery shopping with girlfriends.  Different girls enjoy doing different things and if she enjoys cooking, she can cook.  I'll cook for her as well.  I was just naming examples of stuff I do for women.  Call me old fashioned but the man is supposed to put his wife on a pedestal and do everything he can for her, no matter what it is.  It's simply a sign of respect.  I can't do everything for a woman, there's not enough time and we have to share responsibilities.  Take my parents for example, my mom hates dusting and cleaning the bathroom, so my dad does that for her.  She does the rest of the house work and he does all the yard work, because she doesn't have to mow the lawn.  She never worked so she cooked every night, and she enjoyed it for the most part and my dad never cooked, ever.  I view that a man should put his lady above himself and do what he can to make her life as easy as possible.

I don't know if I'm getting my view across in the correct way because it's hard to have the conversion by typing, and not talking.  I simply believe that a man must take care of his wife, and different couples require different things.  I think the man must put his wife above himself.  I don't think women are incapable of anything, I just think we should take care of them, however that my be.

I say what sapphire said saddens me because what he said about women and the draft.  He wrote

"Why should women have to be protected by men? If they're not inferior to men and they can fight, then that means they can protect themselves."

I'm sorry but to me that is just pure crap.  Women should not be forced to fight in any military conflict.  If they sign up and want to, great.  But forcing women into battle just shows a lack of respect and a terrible view of women. 

If you disagree with what I've said let me know, it's hard to explain my views without a direct conversation.

I agree with you half way. I think it's perfectly normal and ideal for either partner to try and make each other's lives easier. I don't necessarily think it should be the case that a man is expected to place his partner on a pedestal, as you say, any more than what a woman should.

As for that particular quote of sapphire, I do agree with him, though I likely would have worded it differently. If it is required of men, and one views women as capable as men, why shouldn't they required? I don't ask this out of resentment or jealousy, I actually ask it because of a mutual respect.

When I think of my girlfriend of nine years, I would protect her from what ever harm I could. Not because she is a woman but because I care for her. The same reason why I would protect my brother. I view her as an empowered woman who would expect to be treated like anybody else. I don't think I could show her any higher form of respect.

You have done a good job stating what you believe, but you really should qualify why it shows a lack of respect and a terrible view of women because it's quite unclear why you think so.

If you'd prefer, we could just continue this through our walls/pms. Tomorrow that is, it's pretty damn late where I am. Good night!


I can agree with you disagreeing with putting the women on a pedestal, that's my personal belief. 

When it comes to women in the draft, physically men are stronger than women.  We are the stronger sex and as the stronger sex it's our duty to protect our women.  I think it shows a lack of respect because woman are the child bearers, something men can't do.  Women have the duty to carry our children and I think men have the duty to protect them, we each have our roles and denying women our protection to me shows lack of respect.  We should want to make sure the female population is cared for, and sometimes that means giving our lives for their sake.  I guess that my views are simply drilled into my core and others may disagree, but I cannot honestly understand how a man could want women in the draft.  I mean, growing up my father was much more protective of my sisters than me and my brother.  He didn't think they were weak, he simply wanted them to have the best life possible and drilled into my head that you respect all women and do what you can to protect them.