Democratic congresswoman shot in Arizona.

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sapphi_snake said:

FreeTalkLive said:

 

AZ recently changed the law to allow legal gun owners to carry firearms concealed without a permit, thus joining VT, AK, and several other states (although more limited in scope).  Dozens of states already allowed (and still do) legal gun owners to carry firearms open (not concealed) without a permit and that's been the standard in some states since before the nation was legally founded.

Is this law bad or crazy?  I don't know but it puts the laws in AZ closer to what most gun owners think of when they think of the 2nd Amendment.  AZ still has too many gun restrictions for me and so does the state I live in, NH.  However, it was a step in the right direction.  Maybe some day states like AZ and NH won't have any gun laws other than the 100s of federal laws?  That seems like a more Constitutional way to go.

As for driving, you don't need a Learner’s Permit in NH to learn how to drive.  In fact, you cannot get one as we don’t have Learner’s Permits in NH.  Insurance is option, although it certainly isn’t required.  The same goes for seat belt usage.  However, we do have driver's licenses.  I'd like to see the NH driver's license turned into to a license that lasts until people turn 70.  I get it, there should be a short test to get a DL but after that, you shouldn't have to get it renewed.  Of course, most people would get it renewed from time to time because they would lose their license, move and so on.  That is something that people from AZ are more familiar with than those from other states.

How can you be a "legal" gun owner if you don't have a permit? That sounds like an oxymoron. And how can you be allowed to own a gun without passing some sort of psychiatric evaluation? That's just retarded!

In most states, and historically in all of the US, there is no permit to own a gun.  Historically, there was no permit to carry a gun, although most states have no enacted such permits.

So is such states, such as New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine and so on, a legal gun owner is someone that is legally allowed to own a gun.    This may mean no felonies on a person's record or no history of failing psychiatric evaluations.

In the US, people are born with the right to own a gun.  Apparently, it is a right that can be removed but a right nontheless.  Owning a gun isn't like owning a TV, a car or a cell phone.  Those aren't rights.

The New Hampshire system isn't retarded.  In fact, I don't think that it legally goes far enough.  I don't think the gun laws in any of the US states are in line with the 2nd Amendment of the US Consitution just yet.  Hopefully in 10 years or so there will be a lot less gun laws in the US in general and NH too.

I understand you aren't from a place that prides itself as the most free place in the world, but that's what meaning of us are trying to do in NH.  It's understanding about you have so much faith in government and put safety before rights.  Where I come from, rights come first.  That's how I was able to defeat the proposed seat belt law in 2009 in NH.  Can you believe some people in government, they actually wanted to ticket adults if they didn't wear a seat belt in a car?  Heck, our state motto is Live Free or Die.  Many of us take it seriously.