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voty2000 on 16 January 2011
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pearljammer said:
voty2000 said:
 

It saddens me about your view on women.  I never said that women couldn't do anything, and I clearly explained myself.  All I'm saying is that I do what I can women so they don't have to do things they don't have to.  It's called respect.  If a women tells me not to hold a door for her, I won't.  I will never make my future  wife mow the lawn, not because she can't, but because she doesn't have to.  Again, it's about respect and what you say is very telling of your character.  Your somebody I never want to meet.  You'll probably spout more crap about being old fashioned and call me misogynistic again and that's cool.  For one, you apparently don't know what being misogynistic means and two, you've clearly shown your somebody whose words mean nothing to me.  I get to finally add my first 2 people to my ignore user list.  I've had it for a while and never used it. 

I can certainly understand that you're clearly not a misogynist, but I'm a bit confused about why you do specific things. Sorry for butting in, and do feel free to ignore the post if you wish; my intent isn't to criticize.

You say your wife will never mow the lawn simply because she doesn't have to. Well, she wouldn't technically have to pick up groceries, or drive or cook either (insert pretty much any chore/responsibility); would you always do those things for her as well? In case you may say no: What makes mowing the lawn for her more respectful than, say, always cooking for her?

While I think he's far too out of line in calling you a misogynist, I think his views on women, from what I can gather in his post, are far from saddening or disrespectful.

I'm all for helping people out and making their lives easier, namely my girlfriend, not because they may be a woman, but simply because I care for them.

@Phoenix: Here you go. The thread about starcraft's travels through SE Asia.

@topic: Though Canadian, I'm quite surprised that I had no idea american males had to do this.

I cook all the time and go grocery shopping with girlfriends.  Different girls enjoy doing different things and if she enjoys cooking, she can cook.  I'll cook for her as well.  I was just naming examples of stuff I do for women.  Call me old fashioned but the man is supposed to put his wife on a pedestal and do everything he can for her, no matter what it is.  It's simply a sign of respect.  I can't do everything for a woman, there's not enough time and we have to share responsibilities.  Take my parents for example, my mom hates dusting and cleaning the bathroom, so my dad does that for her.  She does the rest of the house work and he does all the yard work, because she doesn't have to mow the lawn.  She never worked so she cooked every night, and she enjoyed it for the most part and my dad never cooked, ever.  I view that a man should put his lady above himself and do what he can to make her life as easy as possible.

I don't know if I'm getting my view across in the correct way because it's hard to have the conversion by typing, and not talking.  I simply believe that a man must take care of his wife, and different couples require different things.  I think the man must put his wife above himself.  I don't think women are incapable of anything, I just think we should take care of them, however that my be.

I say what sapphire said saddens me because what he said about women and the draft.  He wrote

"Why should women have to be protected by men? If they're not inferior to men and they can fight, then that means they can protect themselves."

I'm sorry but to me that is just pure crap.  Women should not be forced to fight in any military conflict.  If they sign up and want to, great.  But forcing women into battle just shows a lack of respect and a terrible view of women. 

If you disagree with what I've said let me know, it's hard to explain my views without a direct conversation.