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jarrod on 12 January 2011
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Antabus said:
jarrod said:
Antabus said:
jarrod said:

Not all PS2 fats have HDDs, but they all have expansion bays.  You don't have to buy an actual PS2 peripheral to use it.  

 

Yes, you need a peripheral called the network adapter.

For the rest of your post, the keyword is speculation.


1) Sony started bundling PS2s with the Network Adapter in 2003 though.  And in 2004 it became standard with the Slim. 2)  And actually, you could use any old modem with the older PS2s too, you still technically wouldn't need a "PS2 peripheral" to play FFXI on a PS2 fat, all the necessary hardware for them are non-specialized.  And that's actually a hardware feature Sony touted early on.

3) Speculation's all we have to go on right now, there's no actual evidence any DSi or DSiWare games use the upclock speeds or extra RAM in the DSi/XL.  They do use the camera and flash drive in some cases though, but both those could technically be done on the DS/Lite with the proper expansions.  Hell, DS even had a RAM expansion for the Opera Browser too, the only real possible issue is the higher clocked ARM9.  

4) PS2 slims are actually higher clocked than launch PS2s btw, and PSP-2000/3000/Go have double the RAM PSP-1000 did.  I guess we should separate these systems also, just to be on the safe side. ;)

1) I haven't heard of that.  PS2 slim does not have the network adapter, it has an ethernet port.

2) Wtf? How would an old modem give you the slot for HDD? FF XI requires the original Sony HDD which can't be installed on anything else than the network adapter. Which is a peripheral.

3) So where is the expansion? Camera, added ram and the faster processor?

4) 299 vs 300mhz. Ok, I'll give you that. :) That last line makes it sound that you think I would care if first and later PSP models would be separated. I don't care. They just aren't the same case as DS/DSi.

1) The Network Adapter is an ethernet adapter/modem. It's just Sony's terminology, they even call the internal PS2 slim iteration a "Network Connector" not an ethernet port.

And yeah, in 2003 Sony started bundling PS2s with the NA for $199, they called it the "combo pack".  There was a Twisted Metal Black bundle too that holiday iirc.  

2) Ack, I forgot they use the same internal bay!  Yeah, you'd have to use the NA or it wouldn't fit... though this doesn't really change anything, since FFXI (and other games) are 100% incompatible with PS2 slim, even with hacks/workarounds.  Which, by your definition here makes it a different platform.

3) A camera was released with Face Training, a RAM expansion with the Opera Browser, an even a flash interface (SD card) in the Play-yan.  Most 3rd party flash cards/adapters actually expand the DS' internal RAM too (for homebrew use, emulators, etc), the only possible issue is the upclocked ARM9, and currently we have no direct evidence of any game actually using it.

4) Actually, they are.  You can't use any PSN games on a PSP1000/2000/3000 without a MS/duo (which you seem hellbent on defining as a "peripheral" if the whole HDD argument above is any indication) while you can on a Go.   If DSi gets cracked, you'll be able to do the same on a DS/Lite.