axt113 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Kasz216 said:
I wouldn't say that's completely true Happy. Afterall the Rightwing groups are more likely to play up nationalism and start proactive wars.
Furthermore violation rights seemed to be a republican thing... though Obama and the senates refusal to get rid of Fiza or the Patriot act does bring the leftwing further up the pole.
It's why I say Facism is really more "in the middle". It's a moderate's road to tyranny really.
I always liked them in Civ 2 because they were fun to play with their Fantatic units. Though I never did get why they looked like the KKK of all people.
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I don't deny that Fascism is a mix of extreme views from the political spectrum; and I (mostly) said that it was more related to left wing politics because (currently) the mix of social conservatism and libertarianism in most democracies means that conservatives mostly only agree on economic issues, and the heavy influence and control of the economy by the state is more related to current liberal/progressive politics in most nations.
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Except, not all left wing policies agree with a more active government like left liberatianism, this is where you are wrong there are also authoritarian right wing ideas, which fascism is one, for example, in an ideal marxist society, there would be no state, not anything like the fascism, which depends on nationalism.
Also Kaz, I think you are mistaking leninism for Marxism, lenin believed that there needed to be a stage of authoritarian rule to restructure a non capitalistic socieity, with Marxism, the overthrow of capitalism would lead to a socialism stage whith social control of the economy in the hands of a democratic state, and eventually to the irrelevance of the state
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Left Libretarianism doesn't exist that much though... anywhere. It's not a credible political movement in any country I'm aware of.
Also, Leninism IS Marxism, the belief that there is a difference is the ignoring of Marx works and letters.
