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@Farmageddon:

My point is that what people can do is not as important for deciding between having or not having an army as what people actually will do.

How can you determine what a person will do before he/she does it? You really can't. As long as something is a possibility, there's hope.

I'm telling you, yes, you should do something. But you should plan your actions based on the world they will be made on, not the world you hope them to eventually achieve.

But that's counter-productive , and in the end will lead to nothing. Anyways, it's not like I have some big master plan to change the world (and I most likely won't be able to come up with one). If anything, I'll at least try to be how I see people should be, and not become corrupted by what people are.

Sure, nothing to disagree there. But sometimes ypu do have to deal with fire, you don't always have (or know you have) a better option.

In the case of war people (on either sides) choose the worst one. And as khasz pointed out, not all people who agree with war consider it to be a necessity.

Point is most people there ARE being martyrs. At least they believe so. And questioning orders and demanding complete information would actually go against the cause they see as right or necessary, even though they'd sure rather not have to be there. So in their minds they forfeit their individuality for the "greater good".
Questioning orders would go against the cause they see right provided they ever saw it as being right in the first place (which wouold not be the case if there's a mandatory draft). Also, not having access to complete information could lead to them representing a cause different from the one they think they're repressenting. In the end it all comes down to manipulation and ignorance, which would hardly make soldiers martyrs. And no "greater good" that requires one to lose his/her individuality can be called that way. If peopel need to be reduced to sheep who follow blindly, that is only because if they were conscious and aware they'd discover that this "greater good" is neither "great" nor "good".


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