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[Farmageddon]

sapphi_snake said:

@Farmageddon:

Sure, but their effects on reality are the same in this case.

Only because peopel make it to be like that.

Only beacause people are like that. The reason is not important, the fact is that you can't assume the world is something it isn't and project the consequecences of a decision (having no army in this cases) on that imaginary world.

Sure, by all means, be the change. Just be aware of the consequences of the change you bring about. We should do whatever we can to change what we feel is wrong, but we should base our change in reality and sustentability, not utopia and blind hope.

I'm not comfortable with such compromises. They're what's holding back progress.

Because things are not that simple, that's the point. You can't just forget about reality and think about your "Plan" on a vacuum or it'll never work, it'd be even worse than doing nothing.

It couldn't really work with people maintaining their individuality and questioning orders in there, and it needs to work. Look, I hate the way some armies are used, but the armies themselves are, unfortunatedly, still necessary.

It would probably be better if it didn't work, actually.

It would do better for the other side for whom it works to walk all over you. People prey on weakness. I know you don't like the idea of that, but it's how it is. If you want to change it, you have to first aknowlodge the problem. Just supposing it isn't there because "it doesn't need to be there" won't work at all.

Oh, and soldiers are alot more human than you seem to percieve them, lot's of them get pretty fucked up in the head because of it all.

You reap what you sow.

It's not always that simple, the world isn't a perfect Karma zero sum for each individual.

The italics is very important, and it's true and that's my point. The real bad "guy" isn't the army, but whoever uses it that way.

Nope, the army is just as guilty. Unless they magically lost their free will they're just as guilty as those who command them.

You're missing the point. The institution of the army, the fact that it existis, ins't the fact to hate, but the way it's sometimes used. And they kinda do loose their free will :P

Soldiers don't always know precisely what's going on, but we're having this argument up there already.