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richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:

This all sounds just awful.

Not sure how you can blame Obama for it though.

Blame him for not trying to stop it sure...

But I don't think you can say he was grabbing for power.

There is attempts at grabbing power and shredding the Constitution going back for awhile.  I will let others say it started earlier than the Clinton administration, but you see Carnivoire, Ruby Ridge and Waco under the Clinton Administration.  The most recent Bush administration also played a bunch of this to. You had Muslim extremists against globalization (and connecting the United States with it) being made out to be a greater threat than the former Soviet Union, and with this came a bunch of compromises.  And now it continues under Obama.  One can then say maybe it isn't either Bush Jr. or Obama's fault, but the powers that be doing it.  I just wish media types would stop with the partisan cheerleading here, and being inconsistent regarding all this.

Agreed. The government has been stealthfully stripping Americans of their liberties for awhile, it goes beyond just Obama or Bush. They are just puppets. This is why I don't like the idea of parties, because they pit people against eachother and single candidates while diverting people from the root of the issues.