| kevin the wiiite said: ... And yes, the earth isn't a closed system, but the universe definitely is. Sorters have a designer, which allows them to increase entropy. The sorter itself still breaks down over time because it itself needs a sorter. Hey look, now we just have to settle the infinite aliens theory. Don't really consider worthy of logical discussion. |
(I'll answer this, because I think this was meant as an answer to my post)
1) The universe being closed is irrelevant to what is being discussed. Let's say that there's life developing in a puddle, and that the entropy of that puddle is diminishing. The fact that the universe is compensating it at large, and entropy of the whole universe is increasing, does not change this.
2) "Sorters having a designer" is irrelevant. I chose easy examples that tackled abstract information, mechanical information and a biological system. The point was thermodynamic's second law, and it still stands that you can locally decrease enthropy if a subsystem is not closed. Thermodynamics never mentions "designers": it's either a physical law or it isn't.
Once again: if the second law of thermodynamics did forbid evolution, then it would in the same way forbid any biological process that increases the complexity of a single organism, such as growth and development from a single cell to an adult. In these physical terms there's absolutely no difference between the process of a single lifespan and the continuous process of life, mutation, selection of a whole race. You could view the whole race as a single immortal organism extracting energy from its environment and going through a continuous complex process of organic modification, as far as thermodynamics is involved.
Do you believe you get chickens from eggs?
