What if we all started shooting down those Russian bombers?

[Joelcool7]

ultima said:

Joelcool7 said:

ultima said:

You really need to calm down. First of all, these are human pilots that you're suggesting we shoot down.

Secondly, consider what would happen if one of Russian bombers were to be shot down. As you can imagine Russia would not be happy. If they decided to invade us there's nothing we'd be able to do to stop them. Sure, bring out NATO, but they'll find a way not to get involved. Maybe they'll say we drew the first punch with shooting the planes... Most of NATO is Europe, and guess who's keeping Europe warm in the cold of the winter? Guess what would happen if Russia were to suddenly stop supplying oil and gas to them, especially now? You get the picture. US may back us up, but that would only make it worse. An armed conflict between Russia and US equals WW3 equals nuclear apocalypse.

So take it easy man. Maybe give that Call of Duty a rest.

Man you tell me to lay off the Call Of Duty but seriously Russia would never be foolish enough to invade Canada. You mention Nato would not stand behind us, well the U.K certainly would and so would France and the US. You mention the gas but Canada is the most resource laden country on earth. More fresh water then anywhere else on earth, more lumber , one of the largest gas producing countries which Europe could simply start importing from Canada. Canada is also a commonwealth country and one of the U.K most important allies.

Russia would be extremely stupid to start a huge war over the loss of one or two bombers. Example South Korea looses a ship full of Naval troops, an island is pummeled to hell yet they do not fire on North Korea. Why don't they, because they know it is not in their best interest.

As for in this imaginary scenerio where Russia has the balls to invade Canada. The US may support us? The US would have to support us for the very reasons you say that Europe would not. A huge amount of the US electricity comes from Canada, future water supplies...Canada, minerals and metals, Canada. The US relies heavily on Canada for many of their natural resources. Also the US would never allow Russia to occupy a nation on its border.

In the case of Russia invading Canada it would ignite WWIII, Nato and the United States would be at war with Russia. The whole world would collapse on itself and if Nukes began flying it would be the end. Canada is extremely important to Europe and the US even more so. Nobody would dare invade us, Russia heck even the US wouldn't dare invade Canada. On a global scale Canada has as many allies as the US if not more liked globally.

But as I said , Russia would not invade Canada if we shot down a plane. They would send some stern words our way and maybe worst case scenerio close the Canadian Embassy and expell the Canadian Ambassador for a year or two. You need to stop watching so many movies, Russia is not as stupid as you think they are.

Also if you read my initial post shooting down the bombers was just one of three suggestions I made. I used it in the title to get the general idea across that this thread is about standing up to Russia. I also suggested seizing the air craft and arresting the pilots. Much more civil and would probubly send the same message!

 What makes you think UK and France would back us up? Sure they'll urge Russia to calm down, but there's no way they'd get their hands dirty against someone so powerful. This isn't Iraq we're talking about. This is the country with the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons and the means by which to single handedly destroy every living thing on this planet. Yes, that includes humans.

I never said Russia is stupid. Granted my scenario of Russia invading us was exagerated, but do you still want get on the black list of the second most powerful military nation in the world (arguably first if you consider nukes)? Plus, this is exactly the kind of behaviour we're internationally not known for. That is in fact one of the reasons pretty much every nation in the world respects us.

Why would the UK and France back us up along with most of NATO if not all of it. Simple Russia would be invading a soveirgn state one that is actually a member of the commonwealth. Britian always stands by the commonwealth and Canada is one of the main reasons Britain and France aren't Germany today. Plus Britain France and many of the other countries in NATO backed the US in the cold war against Russia. Think about it this way, if they invaded Russia in support of the US and Canada, they would have all the resources they wanted now wouldn't they?

Canada is known for being the peace keeping country. We do have that repuatation however that reputation is new. Back in WWII we had the third biggest Navy in the world, our army took targets even the US couldn't take. We used to be known as one of the worlds super powers and we had the respect of most of the world.

In the scenerio where Russia invades Canada, Nato and the US would side with Canada. The US out of nescessity and Europe out of fear. Right now why do you think Nato wants a missile shield so badly? Iran yes but even Putin says he believes it is for use against Russian missiles. Nato and the US would launch counter strikes and their would be all out war.

Also using nukes is highly unlikely. Russia wouldn't dare fire nukes at the US, likewise the US wouldn't dare fire nukes at Russia. Both countries have enough nukes to lay waste to the whole globe and both countries know that once the nukes start flying their will be no end. It doesn't matter how many nukes the US or Russia has both have enough nukes to whipe one another off the face of the earth.

As for my mix up of facts. I don't look this stuff up on a regular basis I go by what I hear on TV and forums. A quick Google search shows that Canada has the most freshwater lakes etc...etc.. I must have confused the facts. Not just making shit up.

But yes over one bomber being shot down, Russia would be a completely idiotic country to declare war on one of the most important countries on earth, especially America's northern neighbour and in most occasions their biggest ally (Exception of the U.K).

Also as I pointed out before I only suggested taking a bomber out as one of the options. I also listed siezing it which would likely have no negative effect on Canada.