TheLivingShadow said:
richardhutnik said:
TheLivingShadow said:
I can't figure out whether you people are for or against slavery...some of the comments here repulse me.
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Not sure if anyone here is in favor of slavery. If you speak about the Yes Men, and the video, I suggest you do a bit of research on them. Their story is one how people who don't do proper due dilligence invite them to speak as a representative of the World Trade Organization, and they expose the downside of globalization of trade.
If you question what I wrote, well, I would have to ask if elimination of slavery ALWAYS produces situations better than slavery itself. If you have an environment where people work for less that what is needed for them to survive, which happens, is that better than a situation of indentured servitude, with maybe government enforced minimum standards on the quality of accomodations. Like, for the indentured servant, the individual who held the contract of the indentured servant would have to provide minimum health and living accomodations. Yes, we go into animal cruelty here, but why not have that? Do we want to have a society where people end up bagging groceries for tips only, and hoping to be able to live? In Mexico, people bag groceries for tips. Is that something worthwhile to have?
Maybe there are economic conditions worse than slavery people can end up going through.
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1. I didn't watch the Yes Men video, I don't care about it either.
2. I understand what you mean. Can I assume then you're pro-slavery? Because that's what you come off as.
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I am not pro-slavery. Just consider me someone who isn't an anarchocapitalist (however that is spelled) who believes that civilization will produce some utopia by the work of "the invisible hand" alone. I believe, unless a society is tempered with other things than the raw drive of self-interest, it can produce things worse than what modern society, and its focus on "rights" considers to be abhorant evils, like slavery. I believe markets are tools that can produce good results or disasters, depending on the nature of the people in that market.
I also suggest at least watching the video of "The Yes Men". The impersonated the World Trade Organization, and see what they pitched at a conference. They were taken seriously. No one thought they were utterly daft, even if they tried. You need to see their proposed solution for management in there, in how they advocate a form of mindlinking between management and workers, and the shape of the outfit they wore. NO ONE ended up arguing they were crazy.
