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Kasz216 on 10 December 2010
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Mr Khan said:
Joelcool7 said:
Sharu said:
 

If you want to speak seriously about this - it can be done if you are interested...

And regarding drawing borders and invading countries without UN approval - look into Yugoslavia and Iraq.


I of course disagree with the US invasion of Iraq. However the US is pulling out and Iraq remains a soveirgn state. The US is set to fully withdraw and the country itself remains united. Its not like the US came into Iraq and decided well this part of the country should be seperated from the rest, lets draw up a new border put some American Government officials into the Iraq Government. How about making Kurdistan its own country?

Russia annexed a huge hunk of the country and put their own Government leaders into powerful positions and essentially now occupy a huge part of a country which the UN deems a soveirgn state. Also the country was looking to join Nato and Nato was highly considering them. It was provacative and unlawful occupation.

 

Yes I love speaking seriously about politics.

It's very different. Chechnya's autonomy was never recognized (except de facto from 1996 to 1999), whereas Georgia agreed to treat Abkhazia and South Ossetia as autonomous territories after wars in 1992 and 1994. Georgia knew the consequences of trying to revoke their autonomy by force, and went in anyway, and Georgia was trying to use its status as a NATO candidate and NATO's general frostiness with Russia at the time as a potential shield (in a sort of "hey Russia you can't stop us from doing this because i'll get my big bro America to kick your ass!"), which clearly wasn't the case

At the start of the war, the South Ossetian war was entirely Georgia's fault, and most international observers agree to this (except people with a vested anti-Russian interest, like the Baltic states and Poland). Russia was condemned for a disproportionate response, but they did abandon their control of *uncontested* Georgia, and didn't take out Saakashvili even if they totally could have

Really?  All the observers i've seen have blamed Russia for convincing Ossetia to attack.  That is the observers that were there when the whole thing started.

Afterall, that's what most of the world's countries believe as well.

I can't see there being such a divid between the observers and the countries.