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Mr Khan said:
RageBot said:
Mr Khan said:
 

The blockades, need for secret tunnels to Egypt, and use of banned-by-international-law weaponry on the part of the Israelis is proof. While i disagree that they are deliberately killing the Palestinian people, they certainly have no qualms over use of extremely excessive force or of random civilian death


So... do you think Israel should just end the blockade, and let Iran and other hostile states just smuggle tons of ammunition and explosives into gaza, allow terrorists to just walk into Israel, and let a new Intifada erupt?
Are you aware of the fact that the main thing being smuggled in these tunnels is ammunition? there's no real poverty in Gaza, pepole aren't dying of hunger over there

Have any country ever, in the history of the world did something like that? Should Israel endanger dozens, hundrerds or even thousands of it's civilians life,

And yes, the Israeli army have used excessive force at times, but pretty much every army in history have done the same, the US army did far more terrible things to innocents and captives in Iraq, apparently, and the only reason that other western states aren't doing similar things is probably that none of them is actually engaged in an armed confrontation.

Also, it is incredibly hard for the Israeli military to avoid causing civilian casualties among the Palastinians, due to the fact that Hamas tries to fire rockets and engage in combat from areas with dense civilian population, because for an oranization like Hamas, every Jew that dies is a reason to celebrate and every Palestinian that dies is something to flaunt for the media.

 

 

As you can see here, a UK war veteran who was actually in Gaza (on the behalf of the UN) finds that the IDF is among the most humane military forces in the world.

 

The situation is obviously not as black and white as it seems from either point of view, it's obvious that Israel is causing harm to the Palestinians, however, it really cannot be avoided, as long as Israel is constantly threatend by terrorists, it can't really open the borders to Gaza, since the risks are too high.

I'm not saying they should, nor shifting the blame away from Hamas, but you asked for proof that Arabs can't get out of the Gaza Strip, and it's there

And the IDF is definitely more disciplined than i made them sound, certainly. Much as i dislike Israel, their military is definitely top-notch in a way that even the U.S. could envy in a way, but what that disciplined force is being used for... well...


I think he meant more the "indiscriminatly killing people in a stealth holocaust" like superchunk seems to think.