Flat tax rate system should be enforced now.

[johnsobas]

PS3beats360 said:

johnsobas said:

Baalzamon said:

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Joelcool7 said:

Well i like my taxes the way they are. But here in Canada our medical and water is covered in our taxes and our own state medical. I feel sorry for everyone in the US who dies because they don't have the money for medical treatment. Also I think the rich should be taxed more. They are gaining more from your society so they should give more back. If a poor man looses 10% in taxes and is forced to live on the streets do to lack of finances a rich man who makes say over 200K should have to pay 15% or so maybe even 20% if you make a mill or so.

The wealthy should help those they are using to get rich. In a country of democracy all citizens should be given equal rights and the rich should not be in such a powerful position compared to the poor. I mean seriously this is how democracies got started the poor people over through the nobels to create democracy.

If you are insainly wealthy you should give back if not voluntarily through taxes. Give back to all those people buying your products and paying for your lifestyle.

So the rich should put more into the system even though they get same out?

Say the tax rate is flat and at 10%. Someone making 25k puts 2500 into the system. Out of it they get highways, police safety, education for their children and all the other government funded service. Now you have a gentlemen that makes 250k a year putting 25k into the system and he doesnt get anything more out of the system then the fellow that only put 2500 in, even though he put in 10 times more. Fair? Hell no.

Now I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're not terribly wealthy.... Now why is that? Are you lazy? Maybe. Perhaps you live a comfortable lifestyle and you're cool with that. But why should someone who goes out and busts their butt to make it big have to put more into the system than you?

50% of the American population pays $0 into the federal tax system. Some of that 50% actually get money back. So who's paying for all the government funded organizations? The wealthy are. And you all just think since they already fund everything they should just give up more? These people get nothing out of the system because they managed to make it on their own. And they should pay even more?

As to the bolded statement above. Yeah Bill Gates and Steve Jobs giving you the Personal Computer, that's no big deal. Everyone on this forum hardly uses a computer anyways, they didn't really give us anything good.

Generally people buy a product because it makes life easier, but you're right, all those people who invented helpful stuff, they don't deserve a single penny they have made off of it. We'd all be better off without any conveniences.

I hope this next part doesn't land the ban hammer on my head, but you all need to get your heads out of your asses (atleast those who say the rich should be taxed more). Rich people are rich because they put forth the effort to become rich. And in the process they've made the rest of your lives alot easier. (Now is this universal among rich people, no but for the most part) And instead of thanking them you all just want to take their shit.

Now a flat tax system is probably as fair as it can get for rich people, but if you want fair then they should actually pay a smaller percentage and even then they'd be paying more than everyone else.

The funniest thing people just don't realize is the following: If you would start everybody off with $0 again.  Give the current poor people salaries equal to twice as much as the current rich people.  20 years down the road, it will be almost the exact same people that are rich, and the exact same people that are poor. 

For a majority of life, it is your own choices that will lead to "success" in life.  Even people that lose their job...if you would follow any financial plan at all, they pretty much all say you should have at least 1/2 year of income saved in an easily accessible account (often referred to as an emergency fund), so please don't try using this as an excuse for why people get so far in the hole.  These people that will wind up poorer get there because they go buy a brand new expensive house, brand new expensive car, brand new this, brand new that, and have every dollar they make going out the door each month.  They lose their job, obviously they will be screwed over.

It has a lot more to do with your family and upbringing then it does anything else.  You can't change the habits of a 40 year old poor man.  Fact is though, you are far more likely to be one of those poor people due to factors that are out of your control.  They're not all lazy, much of it has to do with human psychology.  I mean if you swapped babies with the poor and rich person they will probably grow up to be like their parents that raised them not the blood relatives.  

All the multi-millionaire, billionaires and Royal Family offspring have worked hard for their huge inheritances and attend all the Ivy League colleges.

Money can buy people anything especially social class status, social networks and business connections to help people succeed in life or maintain status quo.  

and a first class private education, first class college without having a 4.0 GPA, tutors, overseas trips, nowadays you can pay people off for first class internships that you couldn't get otherwise.  If you put enough money in a kid he is probably going to succeed with his education unless you have the worst kid ever or he has mental problems.  

Those 3 things you mention alone are a tremendous advantage.