Kasz216 said:
johnsobas said:
Baalzamon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
ramses01 said:
Rath said:
A flat tax is basically 'lets fuck the poor so the rich get richer'. It's obvious that the poor can't afford to have as much of their income taxed as the rich can. A flat tax is not a 'fair' tax, it's a blatantly unfair tax when you consider quality of life, it essentially means that the rich will be able to live a better quality of life than the good one they currently have and the poor will be able to live a worse quality of life than the poor one they currently have. Because widening the wealth gap is what everyone wants right?
Also relying on charity doesn't work. Charity is nice, but it's not thorough.
Finally the 'trickle down' effect is complete rubbish, it doesn't trickle down, it just pools at the top.
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This is complete and utter nonesense. The flat tax is the only fair tax. If you want to have segmented tax rates, then the poor should pay a HIGHER tax rate than the rich as they consume a disportionate amount of the services. If the poor can't afford the taxes then they should get better jobs, it is as simple as that.
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Who has more to gain from funding a military that protects America's oil and trade interests? The poor or the rich?
Who has more to gain from funding roads and bridges to ensure the safe delivery of goods across the country? The poor or the rich?
Who has more to gain from funding education and health care so they can have an educated healthy pool of workers to hire from? The poor or the rich?
Who has more to gain from funding the bailout? The poor or the rich assholes on Wall Street that got us into this mess?
etc. etc. etc.
Rich people get more out of America (or any stable government and economy for that matter), so they should put more back in.
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Well, with your school remark, the people that get the most out of school are actually the people that strive to get the most out of it. It is one's own fault if they did not try in school and could not do something as simple as getting at least semi-decent grades (C's and better). I have to laugh, there was a kid in my high school wanted me to help him with math, because he has lots of trouble on it. I decided, sure, I'll do a good thing. Next day, he's texting in class. No more tutoring him by me.
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right, it never has anything to do with the fact that schools are paid for by property taxes. It has nothing to do with the fact that schools in poor areas are severely underfunded. Just blame the poor for being lazy.
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Money actually tends to do little. Poorer areas in the US actually tend to have more spending then rich areas on schools due to getting more state and government funding.
Private for profit schools get the best results, despite spending way less then public schools, less per student, teachers paid less...
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As far as I know teachers would be paid roughly the same in private and public schools. There are teachers unions that fight for teachers pay, rights and conditions. Teachers have to deal with a lot of nonsense when it comes to educating and caring for children under their duty of care.
The problems with children from lower socio-economic backgrounds is that they usually live in households of single mother, parents are divorced or parents do not work. Unemployment comes with a whole range of social issues and is a widespread epidemic. Welfare from cradle to the grave and intergenerational dependency on welfare system is a hard cycle to break. Those people have deep ingrained issues and they have fallen through the cracks of the system.
People from middle to higher socio-economic classes have a work ethic driven into them. Both parents work and they are usually well educated. This hard work attitude flows onto and shapes the children's future. Children from middle to higher socio-economic backgrounds have the right parents to guide and direct them to make the right decisions in life.
Having said all that the poor/lower socio-economic people are not to blame for their own problems. Those people need the right assistance to turn their lives around and put them on the right track.
