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Im talking strictly sales here. THe reason I brought up Reach and BO is because the release dates were so close to each other. I dont think these franchises had games that released so close to each other before. at least i dont think so. plus this was supposed to be the last hurrah for Bungie on Halo. Maybe im wrong but i thought that would carry a little more weight. Im not trying to crap on Halo fans soup, but a lot of people were sure (me included) that Halo Reach would have a bigger debut than COD BO 360 version ALONE. that didnt happen and now I have some crow to eat. something even more interesting is how close the PS3 version debuted next to Reach. I think there is 10,000 difference, thats not that large IMO