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highwaystar101 said:

A. Fair enough, I was rushing earlier so I didn't really cover the edit I'm afraid. Also it was worth cementing my position anyway lol.

B. The thing is it's not just occasional wrong claims, it's an established set of lies that they are systematically telling people. They aren't just a bunch of one off cases, it's organised lying.

C. Fair enough, I see your point, and yes, the UN or other bodies could step in. But at the core of my argument it still doesn't change the fact that one of the most powerful organisations in that part of the world have been convincing people that condoms increase the risk of AIDS.

D. Oops, sorry, I got that the wrong way round, I meant lower. The bit I wrote after the map clarified my position that condom use in sub Saharan Africa is lower.

E. They do bare a lot of the blame though. I would say that even though they aren't the only only ones to blame, they are the main ones. They've actively turned using condoms into a social stigma

What you say is organised lying is just mismanagement. This is not the only area where the leaders of the Church let priests and bishops say wrong things.

In Brazil, there are a lot of priests who are into Liberation Theology, something that the Pope has spoken several times against.

The problem is that the Church is poorly administrated. People think that the Church is this centralized government that controls thing closely, but thats far from the truth.

The Church should find better priests and bishops to take care of this problem, but like other things, it will take a while before it happens.

Thanks for the debate though.



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