Joelcool7 said:
Kasz216 said:
Joelcool7 said:
Kasz216 said:
Also, as for who is a bigger threat.
When the poor guy gets out of jail for robbing someone. He's still going to be poor. And it's going to be even harder for him to earn money.
When the racist guy gets out of jail. He's still going to be racist... but he doesn't HAVE to comit crimes because he isn't poor.
Who is more likely to reoffend again?
The guy who stole something because he needed money and still doesn't have money.
Or the guy who stole something just to punish someone he didn't like and got nothing out of it but a jail term?
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Kasz216 said:
It really isn't.
Do you think the person who was stabbed really care why he was stabbed? Or the person who was robbed cares why he was robbed?
How many people does someone who robs someone for money have to rob before it's as bad as the racist in your mind?
Was Hitler worse then Stalin because Hitler targeted one race, while Stalin targeted those who he thought were against him. Even though Stalin killed more people?
All that matters is action.
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Well were talking Canada here. If someone is poor and goes to jail because they are poor and felt the need to rob someone. Well in Canada their are financial aid programs for criminals who can't find work, much like welfare and if the individual proves he is looking for work (Hands out a certain amount of resumes) he is applicable for low income housing.
I myself as a security guard met people on the streets who begged me to get them arrested. Their was one guy who said he had been in jail and he had a roof over his head, three hot meals a day a TV etc...etc... He wanted to go back so badly so he wanted me to get him arrested. Fact is an individual in such a situation where they are poor and want to be arrested or poor and need to steal something for an income. These individuals aren't usually the kind that are going to murder someone.
A thief who accidently murders someone or does not intend to murder someone, who is just out to get some money. Should not be treated the same as a racist who stabs someone in the street out of hatred and in cold blood. Who is more likely to re-offend? Well the thief is more likely to steal again but isn't as likely to kill someone as a racist murderer.
How many times does someone have to rob someone before its as bad as racist in my mind? Well robbing someone is never as bad as a racist attack in my mind. Robbing is done out of nescessity or jealousy where as a racist attack is done out of spite and hatred far worse in my mind then a guy who's just down on his luck.
If I was black, Asian or heck if a black or asian man stabbed me because I was white. Compared to someone stabbing me because they were poor or wanted some money I'd be alot more pissed off at the racist then the guy who wants my money.
A racist crime is worse then a non-racist crime.
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So in otherwords.
A poor person can rob and stab 5-6 people... and it's not as bad as the racist who stabbed one person.
How anyone could hold that opinion is stupifying to me.
No matter how many people the poor person stabs, what he did wasn't as bad as a racist guy who stabs one person.
Really.
That's your opinion?Some poor guy could go a massive killing spree for money killing dozens... and the racist is still worse.
I think the bodycount... and the vast majority of rational individuals would disagree with you.
It's like saying a random racist murderer who killed one black guy is worse then Stalin. Since Stalin had a better "reason" to kill.
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Man you are not replying logically. A person who murders or stabs six people is not doing it just for money. Most robberies don't actually end with someone getting stabbed, if the criminal is indeed after money then chances are the last thing he want's is a murder warrant or an assualt with a deadly weapon warrant. I've had two attempted robberies of myself and the second it looked like I was going to fight the purp ran away.
Man you rarely ever hear of a thief stabbing someone for money. I hear about home invasions where people have the shit kicked out of them, but guess what most of the time little is actually taken the person responsable has a problem. They get enjoyment out of hurting someone, or they feel powerful beating an old lady.
Not just robbing someone for money, if their is a psychopath thats going around stabbing people then yes that is as bad if not worse then a racist prick who stabbed one person. But don't think for a second that the person responsable is simply poor and down on his luck. You don't stab 6 different people just trying to get some money.
You are exagerating and blowing things out of purportion. Also the stats you use about Canada, if I recall they were from Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine were they not? In Bowling for Columbine Michael Moore says their is only ten percent of the gun crime that occurs in the United States. Now yes you are absolutely right Canada has 10% of the population the US has. Michael Moore is an idiot and Canada is just as violent as the United States. However those stats were not about hate crimes or racist crimes.
If a racist man stabs a man I think that that is worse then if a poor guy robs someone and accidently stabs the person in the process. Now if the poor man's intention was to stab the person and the motive was not robbery then obviously he is just as bad as the racist. But for someone to stab 6 people in botched robberies all only for money. Well that just doesn't happen and is not logical.
Then you suggest if the robber murdered 6 or more individuals in multiple robberies that I don't think the criminal is as bad as a racist who murders 6 people. Well yes and No, no the robber did not murder six individuals in six different crimes with the motive being robbery, its a insaine idea that you would go six different times and rob six different people and end up murdering all of them just for their money.
Man you know what you replied what four times to your own posts without anyone here actually debating this with you? Geez at least wait till someone is actually here to debate. Its all fun and games to mock people and insult their views while their not actually present to defend thier views, but it just isn't mature.
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Bowling from Columbine? Hell no.
I'm using the official US and Candaian hate crimes laws. As for regular crimes. Was just a guess.
You are saying hate crimes are ALWAYS worse while ignoring things like serial killers... whose crimes aren't based on hate.
That's what hate crime legislation does. It makes people who intentionally stab someone less guilty then other people who intentionally stab someone, because of the reason they did so.
It makes someone who stabs someone for fun.... less guilty then someone who stabs someone for fun, because they were of a different race.
If that's not your arguement I don't get why you replied to me in the first place.
We are talking, exact same cime... executed the exact same way, the only difference is the reason the victim was chosen was different.
