Canada kicks racist butt!

[rocketpig]

sapphi_snake said:

rocketpig said:

sapphi_snake said:

rocketpig said:

Hate crime laws are bullshit. If you commit a crime against another human being, you are punished for it. Certain individuals should not be more "off limits" than others.

Hate crimes are not about who the victim was, they're about the motives of the individual who commited the crime. someone who would attack another person for beign black/mexican/gay etc. is more dangerous than someone who would attack another person to steal their money, the same way someone who would take the time to carefully plan a murder is more dangerous than someone who snaps and kills someone on the spur of the moment.

They're "more dangerous"? How so?

And determining motive is far more difficult and sticky than determining whether the person committed the crime, as there are several shades of grey left up to prosecuting individuals and their individual biases. A crime is a crime. Prosecute it as such. Adding subjective footnotes that increase or decrease time served only weakens the system.

Is it not obvious? The person who would attack another to steal their money is only doing that because he needs the money. If he had money, or a viable method of obtaining money he wouldn't commit the crime. The racist/homophobe would only be satisfied once the people who are ther target of his/her prejudice disappeared, were eliminated (in other words some form of genocide happened).

And do I really need to explain to you why someone who premeditates a murder (esentially a diabolical mind) is more dangerous that someone who kills on the spur of the moment (someone who may simply loose control)?

Establising motive is important, worth dedicating time to (and essential in any case), and necessary to make the right objective decision.

A person who will attack another because he needs money will need money again... and soon. He won't stop until someone gives him all the money he needs. See how that works?

The homophobe/racist is being punished, just like everyone else. What makes his crime so much more heinous than a run-of-the-mill murder? An idea?

I'm not a supporter of the prosecution of ideas, no matter how bad they may be.