Three Israelis lynched on way to a pub

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Joelcool7 said:

Killiana1a said:

The situation in Israel is comparable to taking the entire nation of Haiti and carving out an area between Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa, resettling all Haitians in that land, recognizing it as a sovereign state, and then expecting the displaced midwesterners to not have animosity over lost land their ancestors held for generations before the Haitians were resettled.

The only problem with this example is, Jews were historically from Israel and long before it was palestinian land it was jewish land. Historically both peoples the palestinians and the jews have rights to the land, also it is both their holy lands. A better example in my books is if we took one native tribe and gave them half the reserve of another native tribe. Sure hundreds to thousands of years ago that native tribe used to live on that reserve but the people living their now aren't going to like having their land taken away and given back to the historical tribe.

I recognize the state of Israel. But think that the settlements and the treatment of palestinians by settlers only fuels the hatred. Some say if Israel froze settlements it wouldn't lead to peace or the two state solution, your right it probubly wouldn't immediatly mean peace. But it would be a start, and over dozens to hundreds of years peace could be reached.

Just because someone is wronging you (Hamas/Fatah) doesn't mean you can steal their land and harm them back. As for no body hearing stories of jews ambushing and killing innocent palestinians. Colonel Ilan Malka of the Israeli military just recently admitted that the Israeli military knowingly killed dozens of civilians. He is not alone The UN confirmed during the gaza war that the Israeli military targetted civilian houses and actually attacked the United Nation's buildings themselves. I believe reports indicate over 900 civilians were killed and only like 500 militants.

That is extremely disturbing. I can't see how you could accidently kill almost twice as many civilians as enemy combatants. These deaths don't hurt Hamas or other terrorist groups. For every fighter they loose two civilians are killed driving their families into joining their cause.

Also killing innocent palestinians only strengthens Hamas and other terrorist groups. Its wrong for a civilian (Palestinian) to kill or attack another Jewish civilian. But its as wrong if not more so for an authority figure (Israeli Military) to knowingly target and kill a Palestinian civilian.

Okay, about what you said.

Yes, I know for certainty that there were Israeli soldiers who attacked civilians, for probably no reason, however, when you are a 18-21 years old man, in a war, with the adrenalin pupming through your body after being in life-threatning situations for who know how many hours - you let your basic instincts take over your body and you make illogical decisions.

However, about the Israeli army as a whole bombing civilians - Hamas knowingly uses civilians structures like schools, hospitals, mosques, and places in close proximity to UN buildings (if not the UN buildings themselves) as places to fire rockets from, and spots to fight the Israeli soldiers from, just so that more civilians die, because they know that the more civilians die, the worse it makes Israel look.

Now, please watch the following, it is a testament of a collonel from the UN forces (or  the UK military, I don't remember precisely), who was in Israel during the last gaza war.
He talks about the difference between what really happend over there, to the way it was precieved by the global media.

(I hope that this will work, it's the first time I try to embed something here :P )

Anyway, it's nice to be able to have a discussion like this with someone who actually tries to know the facts, and not just blindely hate one side or the other of the conflict.