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Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:

Solid_Snake4RD said:

 bullshit

 

don't just go and compare that PS2,PS1 games were pirated these many times

 

go and check the ratio between purchase and he piracted games then you will know how bad it is

Ratio arguments inherently favor smaller bases.  It's like arguing Saturn was more heavily pirated than PS1, since it didn't have as many legitimate game sales.  It's not exactly correct in the wider context, and really, we don't know exactly how many "copies" are pirated for a direct comparison.

In terms of ratio though, either PSP or Dreamcast are probably the worst off, yeah. But ratio means little, a higher ratio or piracy doesn't mean more piracy (just as a higher ratio of sales doesn't mean more sales).  Systems like PS1, PS2, DS and even Xbox or N64 generally had a decent mainstream audience who still legitimately bought games, even though piracy was common on ALL those systems during their lifecycles.  PSP has that to an extent too in Japan yet.


actually the some torrent websites put out lists every year and PSP games are there

 

and if not that ratio,you can just look at the HW and SW sales Shipped sales ratio from the last few years.its nowhere near what was on the PS1,PS2

just admit it.

 

nobody is saying PSP would have been number 1 without piracy but the point is that it would be nowhere near where it has gone down now wihtout it

Right and Comgnet put out sales and preorder figures all the time... how do those compare to the overall JP market again?  You can't take just one slice of data (ie: a couple torrent sites) and say that's what things are like everywhere...

Also, part of PSP's higher hardware likely has something to do with actually needing the hardware to pirate games.  I know you want to pretend emulation doesn't exist, but it does, and PS1, PS2 and DS were all easily emulated during their lifecycles... if you always needed those systems themselves to pirate games, then their hardware sales probably would've been higher too.  In fact, a strong case can be made that piracy helps PSP hardware sales...