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richardhutnik on 03 November 2010
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Smidlee said:
babuks said:
richardhutnik said:

So, on the surface, it would seem they are similar.  But, by making Jesus an unessential and an afterthought just touched on in the Quran, makes it really hard to considered they are similar. I also think a Muslim would find it outright weird to think of a group of some people of The Book, to be part of Christ's body. After all, why would a prophet have a body made up of people of the Book.


Enough talk from laymen. Listen to someone learned of both the religions and scriptures:

 

Just follow Youtube link to get other lectures on the same topic.

I noticed he didin't quote Jesus stating " Before Abraham was, I AM. The very next verse states the Pharisees were picking up stones to kill him? Why? Because they understand Jesus identify himself equal with God , The great "I AM"
 According to this video Muslims would have join with the Pharisees in that day.

That verse is even problematic if you just take it to be that Jesus says he was before Abraham was, meaning he existed before then. That alone, besides the "I AM" (what the 4 letters without vowels name means), is problematic, if you are arguing from a Muslim perspective.  Would a Muslim say Jesus was before Abraham was?

Also, the text in John 10 looks problematic from a Muslim perspective also:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 10&version=NIV

 25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

 

Several things there.  You see where Jesus is claimed to said he is equal to God in that, and references "gods".  Is this fitting of Islam?  This would also go with the video I saw, which I recall had the speaker say nowhere does Jesus claim to be God's son.  Muslims refute this, but you keep seeing it, particularly in the gospel of John.   Anyone who is Muslim would be best to NOT say that Islam and Christaintiy are almost the same thing.  They are not.  Essential points to the Christian faith are seen as wrong at least, if outright the worst sin of all types.